00:00:00.180 --> 00:00:03.200 Daryl Cagle: Hey everybody, I'm Daryl Cagle, and this is the CagleCast, where 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:04.810 we're all about political cartoons. 00:00:04.810 --> 00:00:09.743 Today we've got a great podcast about, the election and the debate, I'm 00:00:09.753 --> 00:00:15.023 here with Rick McKee, Jeff Koterba, and Pat Bagley, three of the best 00:00:15.053 --> 00:00:17.313 cartoonists that you'll ever see around. 00:00:17.323 --> 00:00:17.963 Hello, gentlemen. 00:00:18.639 --> 00:00:18.699 Hey, 00:00:18.699 --> 00:00:19.349 Rick McKee: Daryl. 00:00:19.349 --> 00:00:19.880 Good to be here. 00:00:20.346 --> 00:00:20.646 Hey Pat. 00:00:20.666 --> 00:00:21.156 Hey Jeff. 00:00:21.506 --> 00:00:21.796 Daryl Cagle: Hey guys. 00:00:22.043 --> 00:00:24.113 We're going to start off with Rick. 00:00:24.143 --> 00:00:26.283 this is a hilarious cartoon. 00:00:26.283 --> 00:00:29.720 You've got the dog pulling, down Trump's swim shorts, like the 00:00:29.720 --> 00:00:32.749 Coppertone commercial and, the, the illegals are eating the dogs. 00:00:32.750 --> 00:00:34.119 Hey, that's hilarious. 00:00:34.120 --> 00:00:35.959 I appreciate it. 00:00:36.066 --> 00:00:39.281 Jeff Koterba: I, I love, I love that you have the, it's the Coppertone thing. 00:00:39.431 --> 00:00:43.391 You've got the tan lines and his backside is pale, and yet you have that 00:00:43.391 --> 00:00:46.751 extra layer on the face of the orange. 00:00:47.021 --> 00:00:48.281 So it was like, brilliant. 00:00:48.324 --> 00:00:49.644 Rick McKee: And that was, uh, thank you. 00:00:49.705 --> 00:00:50.065 Thank you. 00:00:50.065 --> 00:00:52.644 And that was a sort of an internal debate I had was how do 00:00:52.644 --> 00:00:54.025 I want to handle his tan line? 00:00:54.025 --> 00:00:57.390 I, I thought about making his butt like orange too. 00:00:57.816 --> 00:00:58.606 Like his face. 00:00:58.890 --> 00:00:59.830 that really wasn't working. 00:00:59.830 --> 00:01:02.906 And I think, Mad Magazine did that, so I thought I didn't want to, I 00:01:02.906 --> 00:01:04.046 didn't want to steal that idea. 00:01:04.066 --> 00:01:04.426 But, uh, 00:01:04.596 --> 00:01:06.696 Daryl Cagle: So, Rick, you were the cartoonist for decades for 00:01:06.696 --> 00:01:08.696 Augusta Chronicle in, Georgia. 00:01:08.736 --> 00:01:12.803 You draw the comic strip Pluggers, and we've syndicated you for 20 years, and, 00:01:12.803 --> 00:01:15.443 you're one of my favorites on the podcast. 00:01:16.203 --> 00:01:17.153 Rick McKee: Ah, well, thank you very much. 00:01:17.153 --> 00:01:18.043 I'm happy to be here. 00:01:18.043 --> 00:01:18.913 Thanks for having me. 00:01:18.993 --> 00:01:22.723 Daryl Cagle: here you have Trump on the news, the news guy says, 00:01:23.083 --> 00:01:26.093 and we're hoping for a debate heavy on substance and the issues. 00:01:26.093 --> 00:01:28.283 And Trump says they're eating the pets. 00:01:28.371 --> 00:01:30.241 Rick McKee: Yeah, this was my immediate reaction. 00:01:30.261 --> 00:01:32.451 This was, I drew this the night of the debate. 00:01:32.451 --> 00:01:36.452 I was sitting here with my iPad sketching and I think like the other 00:01:36.452 --> 00:01:41.211 two guys were probably all watching and waiting for some moment to happen, 00:01:41.231 --> 00:01:45.336 you know, sort of makes or breaks the candidate or crystallizes the thing. 00:01:45.336 --> 00:01:48.056 and I, you know, I knew he was going into this debate with this 00:01:48.066 --> 00:01:50.566 Laura Loomer, Loomer character, and she was the one that started 00:01:50.576 --> 00:01:52.397 the whole eating the dogs and cats. 00:01:52.485 --> 00:01:58.305 Oh, and I thought I thought Surely, he's not gonna bring that up I was watching the 00:01:58.305 --> 00:02:01.289 debate and he just went off like a lunatic 00:02:01.729 --> 00:02:04.199 Daryl Cagle: Well, you know the cartoonists love dogs and cats. 00:02:04.199 --> 00:02:06.539 I knew the minute that was mentioned that was all it was 00:02:06.539 --> 00:02:08.149 gonna boil down to For the cartoon. 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:08.559 Rick McKee: Yep. 00:02:09.089 --> 00:02:09.469 Yep. 00:02:09.749 --> 00:02:12.849 That was all I was gonna boil down to and uh, you know, she really got 00:02:12.849 --> 00:02:16.104 his goat, you know, she could You Add another animal into the mix. 00:02:16.104 --> 00:02:19.044 She, um, talking about it. 00:02:19.044 --> 00:02:20.104 Jeff Koterba: People do eat goats. 00:02:20.184 --> 00:02:23.487 Daryl Cagle: Here she is with her word salad and, Trump with his, 00:02:23.487 --> 00:02:27.647 uh, election fraud, nothing burger of Qanon Kool Aid, verbal baloney, 00:02:27.657 --> 00:02:29.477 2020 sour grapes conspiracy. 00:02:29.497 --> 00:02:31.967 That's rhetorical tripe and bananas rambling. 00:02:32.347 --> 00:02:36.347 We hear about word salad because they don't have that many, Substantive things 00:02:36.347 --> 00:02:41.377 to complain about, Kamala about, but, uh, you know, Trump is worse for word salad. 00:02:41.397 --> 00:02:42.394 Rick McKee: Oh, absolutely. 00:02:42.447 --> 00:02:43.017 Absolutely. 00:02:43.017 --> 00:02:47.430 And he's also, not only is he fun to draw, he's fun to write for, because, 00:02:47.430 --> 00:02:51.080 you know, we don't do impressions, you know, that you can hear, but we can 00:02:51.090 --> 00:02:54.427 often write Trump and sort of capture. 00:02:54.455 --> 00:02:56.995 his ridiculous, pattern of speaking. 00:02:57.025 --> 00:02:59.942 And, and to me that, I think it's wordy for the reader, but I think 00:02:59.942 --> 00:03:03.222 they have fun because when they read it, they hear him in their head, with 00:03:03.222 --> 00:03:07.052 his just talking about, you know, electric batteries and dodging sharks 00:03:07.052 --> 00:03:08.222 and Hannibal Lecter and all this crap. 00:03:09.502 --> 00:03:13.925 Daryl Cagle: So here you've got dad, uh, rooting in the, the living room. 00:03:13.925 --> 00:03:17.705 Like he's watching a football game with his big number one hand, and he says, 00:03:17.765 --> 00:03:19.565 come on, fight, kill the other team. 00:03:19.565 --> 00:03:23.359 And mom says, you know, not to bother your father when he's watching the election. 00:03:24.327 --> 00:03:24.967 . yeah, that was very tough. 00:03:24.967 --> 00:03:27.135 This would be, I knew this would be one of the most popular 00:03:27.135 --> 00:03:28.545 ones when I, when I saw it. 00:03:28.605 --> 00:03:30.425 Jeff Koterba: You sound like the mom from Bob's burgers. 00:03:30.425 --> 00:03:30.565 Daryl Cagle: I do? 00:03:32.480 --> 00:03:35.250 Rick McKee: I try to do a football cartoon every season because I 00:03:35.250 --> 00:03:38.220 know the editors like that and I know the readers like that. 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:41.357 And, as I was thinking about my annual football cartoon, it just 00:03:41.357 --> 00:03:44.914 occurred to me that that's what's sort of wrong with politics in 00:03:44.914 --> 00:03:46.809 America today is we're all just. 00:03:46.809 --> 00:03:49.185 Devoted not, you know present company excluded. 00:03:49.195 --> 00:03:52.752 We're all just devoted to our teams, you know, it's come down to Uh, i'm going 00:03:52.752 --> 00:03:56.392 to support this person Simply because they have an R behind their name or a D 00:03:56.392 --> 00:04:00.125 behind their name and they don't they're not actually stopping to consider you 00:04:00.125 --> 00:04:05.265 know, you know the larger picture and uh right now it seems to be predominantly 00:04:05.289 --> 00:04:09.554 These trump people Have totally thrown out everything they ever supposedly 00:04:09.554 --> 00:04:13.194 believed in to support this guy simply because he's got an arm behind his thing 00:04:13.257 --> 00:04:14.707 So that was that was the thinking behind 00:04:14.717 --> 00:04:17.604 Daryl Cagle: that pat we're moving on to you this is a nice one. 00:04:17.734 --> 00:04:20.484 Pat Bagley: So Early on when he's trying to come up with something about 00:04:21.034 --> 00:04:25.284 Kamala He talked about her laugh and how that's not very presidential. 00:04:25.327 --> 00:04:29.527 And then she picks Walz, who is also kind of a nice, easygoing 00:04:29.527 --> 00:04:30.897 kind of guy, likes to laugh. 00:04:30.934 --> 00:04:34.840 he just thinks that's weird where he's a felon. 00:04:34.880 --> 00:04:36.870 he's holding up the Bible upside down. 00:04:36.917 --> 00:04:37.917 He's with, Vance. 00:04:37.917 --> 00:04:40.717 And this is before they did the whole cat eating thing. 00:04:40.770 --> 00:04:43.107 Daryl Cagle: Well, you know, there aren't that, many, things on their 00:04:43.117 --> 00:04:47.350 list of Kamala attributes that they had to choose from to complain about. 00:04:47.393 --> 00:04:47.663 Pat Bagley: True. 00:04:47.813 --> 00:04:51.033 I mean, it's hard to call her, it's hard to call her a Marxist, but, uh. 00:04:51.283 --> 00:04:52.143 Rick McKee: Right, yeah. 00:04:52.503 --> 00:04:53.903 Pat Bagley: All we have to do is ask a Marxist. 00:04:54.080 --> 00:04:54.780 Is she a Marxist? 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:55.550 They'll say no. 00:04:55.640 --> 00:04:56.270 They'll laugh at you. 00:04:56.370 --> 00:04:58.080 . Rick McKee: I love all your little details in this Pat. 00:04:58.080 --> 00:05:00.120 He is got his Trump tennis shoes on. 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.772 He's got his, his arrest, thing around his neck, his 00:05:03.952 --> 00:05:05.412 Oh, this Mountain Dew. 00:05:05.472 --> 00:05:06.612 And yeah. 00:05:06.992 --> 00:05:07.852 And his eye out. 00:05:09.337 --> 00:05:11.887 Daryl Cagle: Pat Bagley has been the brilliant cartoonist for the Salt 00:05:11.887 --> 00:05:14.347 Lake Tribune in Utah since 1979. 00:05:14.347 --> 00:05:17.917 And Pat has won a ton of awards, including the Herb Block Prize, and he 00:05:17.917 --> 00:05:20.497 is also a shining star in our profession. 00:05:20.522 --> 00:05:21.092 Well, thank you 00:05:21.125 --> 00:05:21.365 Rick McKee: pat. 00:05:21.385 --> 00:05:23.765 Is that toilet paper hanging off the bottom of his shoe? 00:05:23.838 --> 00:05:24.418 Daryl Cagle: Yes, it is 00:05:27.788 --> 00:05:32.782 Just because that's a nice touch here they are excessive joy in the arena. 00:05:32.802 --> 00:05:33.172 Yeah, and 00:05:33.182 --> 00:05:36.132 Pat Bagley: this is after the uh, democratic convention 00:05:36.262 --> 00:05:37.952 And uh, it was fun to watch. 00:05:37.962 --> 00:05:42.958 It was actually very entertaining and Democrats went from being Down below zero. 00:05:43.148 --> 00:05:47.648 I mean the enthusiasm was just cratered after the first debate Then 00:05:47.648 --> 00:05:52.425 Kamala comes on, and they have their convention, and it was just joyous. 00:05:52.575 --> 00:05:56.115 It was absolutely joyous, and Democrats went from bottom to top. 00:05:56.172 --> 00:05:56.662 They're happy. 00:05:56.722 --> 00:05:58.862 Daryl Cagle: And you're, you're kind of prescient with your cartoons, 00:05:58.862 --> 00:06:02.032 because, you know, this was before the debate, and now all the talk on the 00:06:02.032 --> 00:06:04.278 right is about blaming the ref, and 00:06:04.328 --> 00:06:05.078 Rick McKee: Oh, that's true. 00:06:05.697 --> 00:06:06.157 That's true. 00:06:06.157 --> 00:06:06.837 Blame it on the ref. 00:06:06.923 --> 00:06:08.393 Jeff Koterba: You're Tim Walz, by the way, Pat. 00:06:08.653 --> 00:06:09.443 It's wonderful. 00:06:09.453 --> 00:06:10.653 It's one of the best ones out there. 00:06:10.673 --> 00:06:11.153 Rick McKee: Oh, thank you. 00:06:11.153 --> 00:06:12.613 Yeah, I agree. 00:06:12.663 --> 00:06:15.583 Daryl Cagle: So here's your Traffic Light cartoon with Trump 00:06:15.583 --> 00:06:17.583 and Kamala Go and Trump Stop. 00:06:17.990 --> 00:06:18.030 Rick McKee: That's 00:06:18.650 --> 00:06:19.460 very simple. 00:06:19.497 --> 00:06:22.097 Pat Bagley: Yeah, I like doing these cartoons without words that you 00:06:22.107 --> 00:06:23.967 immediately look at it and get it and you, 00:06:23.967 --> 00:06:24.454 Daryl Cagle: enjoy 00:06:24.454 --> 00:06:24.942 Pat Bagley: it. 00:06:24.942 --> 00:06:27.357 Rick McKee: That would go well in France. 00:06:27.797 --> 00:06:31.787 Daryl Cagle: This was a little bit jarring to me because, you know, the 00:06:31.787 --> 00:06:33.537 red light's supposed to be on the top. 00:06:33.793 --> 00:06:34.563 Okay, okay, 00:06:34.563 --> 00:06:36.173 Pat Bagley: I actually got stopped for that. 00:06:36.793 --> 00:06:38.933 And they pulled out my artistic license. 00:06:39.403 --> 00:06:40.423 And they let me go. 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:47.615 Daryl Cagle: Here you've got Trump, uh, he's hugging his gun, you okay, baby, 00:06:47.615 --> 00:06:51.605 he says, when I was president, I totally protected the guns, a quote from Trump. 00:06:51.645 --> 00:06:52.495 Rick McKee: that's a great one. 00:06:52.612 --> 00:06:53.062 It is. 00:06:53.260 --> 00:06:55.280 Pat Bagley: Yeah, but it's just, uh, sad. 00:06:55.370 --> 00:06:56.620 It's just pathetic. 00:06:56.640 --> 00:07:00.400 And then you have bands coming out and saying that it's just a fact of life. 00:07:00.417 --> 00:07:03.137 That's just a How how did we get here? 00:07:03.157 --> 00:07:04.307 How did we get used to this? 00:07:04.387 --> 00:07:06.557 Rick McKee: Yeah, and as a, I don't know about you guys, but 00:07:06.557 --> 00:07:10.560 as a cartoonist, I mean, these, shootings What more can you say? 00:07:10.570 --> 00:07:12.790 You know, and uh, how can you say something? 00:07:12.820 --> 00:07:14.830 How can you say something new and different that hasn't 00:07:14.830 --> 00:07:18.373 already been said so I think you really you really did that here. 00:07:18.477 --> 00:07:18.917 Pat Bagley: Oh, thank you. 00:07:19.047 --> 00:07:22.697 Daryl Cagle: So Jeff we are moving on to you Jeff Koterba has drawn for 00:07:22.697 --> 00:07:27.130 over 30 years for the top newspaper in Nebraska that we don't name His 00:07:27.130 --> 00:07:30.000 cartoons have flown around the world on the Space Shuttle Discovery. 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:34.820 He's consistently among our most popular cartoonists, and he hosts a classical 00:07:34.820 --> 00:07:38.710 music show on radio station KVNO in Omaha. 00:07:38.730 --> 00:07:42.370 Jeff Koterba: Available streaming and on your, on your app as well, worldwide. 00:07:42.540 --> 00:07:42.920 Thanks. 00:07:43.973 --> 00:07:44.193 Daryl Cagle: Okay. 00:07:44.193 --> 00:07:45.283 I'm gonna, I'm gonna check that out. 00:07:45.570 --> 00:07:50.230 So here you took, you took advantage of our dog and cat debate opportunity. 00:07:50.230 --> 00:07:53.550 The dog says, what a weird, weird campaign. 00:07:53.550 --> 00:07:56.940 And the cat says, that doesn't even begin to describe it. 00:07:57.043 --> 00:08:00.887 Rick McKee: You know what I find so crazy is that this is the word 00:08:00.923 --> 00:08:04.233 that, I mean, you, you know, you can, people have called Trump, you know, 00:08:04.233 --> 00:08:07.023 racist, sexist, fascist, and all that. 00:08:07.023 --> 00:08:09.313 And, and weird is the word that sets them off. 00:08:09.313 --> 00:08:09.733 Yeah. 00:08:09.753 --> 00:08:10.053 Pat Bagley: Yeah. 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:11.630 Oh, crowd sizes. 00:08:11.630 --> 00:08:14.730 Rick McKee: That's true. 00:08:14.730 --> 00:08:15.850 That's true. 00:08:15.873 --> 00:08:17.123 Daryl Cagle: So here you've got J. 00:08:17.153 --> 00:08:17.583 D. 00:08:17.673 --> 00:08:23.498 Vance's book, That's kind of like, made for Fred Flintstone out of stones. 00:08:23.508 --> 00:08:28.148 Cave Dweller Elegy, a memoir of misogyny and sexism from J. 00:08:28.148 --> 00:08:28.318 D. 00:08:28.318 --> 00:08:29.968 Vance, the caveman. 00:08:29.968 --> 00:08:30.648 Rick McKee: That's great. 00:08:30.688 --> 00:08:32.078 That's a great illustration, Jeff. 00:08:32.138 --> 00:08:32.488 I like that. 00:08:32.488 --> 00:08:32.918 Pat Bagley: Oh, yeah. 00:08:32.918 --> 00:08:33.358 Jeff Koterba: Thanks. 00:08:33.728 --> 00:08:34.128 Thanks. 00:08:34.558 --> 00:08:35.198 It's fun to do. 00:08:35.658 --> 00:08:38.708 And those challenges, you know, you have as an artist and think, okay, 00:08:38.708 --> 00:08:42.588 well, yeah, do I go back to like a Flintstone mentality with a tablet? 00:08:42.628 --> 00:08:44.808 How thick with this stone book? 00:08:44.808 --> 00:08:48.512 You start, you have to sort of disengage from the logic of it. 00:08:48.752 --> 00:08:52.937 And, you know, of course, you're not going to punch holes into, you know, Like a cave 00:08:53.107 --> 00:08:55.403 book, because it would crack and crumble. 00:08:55.633 --> 00:08:57.853 So you just have to suspend your disbelief or whatever. 00:08:58.053 --> 00:09:00.493 And then I realized, well, maybe it's better that, well, if they're 00:09:00.543 --> 00:09:04.250 thick pages, I can't have a lot of pages, but Oh, wait, there wouldn't be 00:09:04.250 --> 00:09:06.830 that many pages, three pages, maybe. 00:09:06.900 --> 00:09:07.100 So 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:12.730 Daryl Cagle: I suspended my disbelief to think this binding is unrealistic. 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:15.940 Pat Bagley: As a, as a. 00:09:15.940 --> 00:09:19.560 As a retired Mormon, I looked at this and I thought the golden 00:09:19.570 --> 00:09:21.410 plates made perfect sense to me. 00:09:21.410 --> 00:09:23.530 Daryl Cagle: There you go. 00:09:23.587 --> 00:09:27.737 so the campaign strategy room you have The Republican elephants and he'll never 00:09:27.737 --> 00:09:32.205 go for it as the bandage on trump's mouth you know, I've taken kind a little, uh, 00:09:32.215 --> 00:09:37.092 vacation from the podcasting and I missed the whole assassination cartoons, which 00:09:37.232 --> 00:09:41.822 they, I didn't think this is cute, but most of the assassination cartoons, I 00:09:41.862 --> 00:09:45.332 didn't think were much fun, whereas after the debate, we've got all these dogs 00:09:45.332 --> 00:09:47.062 and cats and that's a whole lot of fun. 00:09:47.117 --> 00:09:50.263 Rick McKee: Well, assassination attempts don't usually lend themselves 00:09:50.263 --> 00:09:52.680 to fun, but um, this is a great take. 00:09:52.690 --> 00:09:55.630 And I assume you probably didn't do this in the immediate aftermath. 00:09:55.630 --> 00:09:58.113 It's probably around the convention when, you know, we 00:09:58.113 --> 00:09:59.653 can laugh about it a little more. 00:09:59.677 --> 00:10:00.127 Jeff Koterba: Right. 00:10:00.187 --> 00:10:00.317 Yep. 00:10:00.397 --> 00:10:00.687 Yep. 00:10:00.997 --> 00:10:01.607 Give it a little distance. 00:10:01.925 --> 00:10:02.555 Yeah, I 00:10:02.555 --> 00:10:05.155 Rick McKee: mean, you know, as much as you might want to draw something, 00:10:05.185 --> 00:10:10.105 people were very sensitive and, uh, we're not Charlie Hebdo yet. 00:10:10.105 --> 00:10:11.395 And 00:10:12.075 --> 00:10:14.398 Jeff Koterba: This was inspired more by people wearing the bandage 00:10:14.398 --> 00:10:15.928 on their ears at the convention. 00:10:15.948 --> 00:10:19.473 So then it was like, okay, That I felt like that sort of gave you, 00:10:19.473 --> 00:10:22.793 you know, permission to kind of jump into that, you know, well, 00:10:22.793 --> 00:10:26.240 Daryl Cagle: you know, we just looked at, at Pat's great, school shooting cartoon 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:31.080 and very often, sad and tragic events lead to a bunch of great editorial cartoons. 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.920 But in the case of this, assassination attempt, I think they did not 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:37.530 lead to a bunch of great cartoons. 00:10:37.560 --> 00:10:41.943 And, perhaps that's because, he recovered immediately and 00:10:41.943 --> 00:10:43.587 didn't have, uh, an attitude, 00:10:43.627 --> 00:10:45.317 Rick McKee: a trace of an injury. 00:10:45.317 --> 00:10:47.325 Pat Bagley: Yeah. 00:10:47.325 --> 00:10:48.725 Daryl Cagle: Okay, here's one of mine. 00:10:48.735 --> 00:10:51.585 This is actually my first cartoon that I ever colored in Procreate 00:10:52.535 --> 00:10:54.405 I really struggled with this. 00:10:54.608 --> 00:11:00.102 but this was, this was just, you know, joy and gloom. 00:11:00.142 --> 00:11:03.672 here's one I drew, this week on the dogs and cats. 00:11:03.682 --> 00:11:07.138 The old couple watching the TV man says Trump won the debate. 00:11:07.415 --> 00:11:08.695 The wife says. 00:11:09.165 --> 00:11:13.362 Kamala with the debate, and the doggy says, Migrants are eating pets! 00:11:14.507 --> 00:11:17.817 And I think this seems to be what editors wanted that day. 00:11:17.870 --> 00:11:18.270 Pat Bagley: Oh really? 00:11:18.280 --> 00:11:18.650 Rick McKee: It's great. 00:11:19.860 --> 00:11:20.490 Yeah. 00:11:20.930 --> 00:11:21.780 Pat Bagley: Did it do well? 00:11:22.280 --> 00:11:23.840 Daryl Cagle: It's been number two this week. 00:11:23.973 --> 00:11:24.453 Rick McKee: Oh, wow. 00:11:24.620 --> 00:11:25.140 Very good. 00:11:25.167 --> 00:11:28.627 Daryl Cagle: So I threw this one in by, uh, Rivers, because, you know, 00:11:28.627 --> 00:11:33.857 if you switch the TV to Fox, and see what they're saying about this debate 00:11:33.877 --> 00:11:38.047 that Trump obviously lost, you know, when there's news like that, it's 00:11:38.047 --> 00:11:41.730 hard to fit into your world view. 00:11:41.730 --> 00:11:45.750 the natural thing, I think, on the right is to build a conspiracy around 00:11:45.750 --> 00:11:51.120 it and find whatever, odd facts can just, be thrown into, uh, I'm just 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:53.390 asking about this, you know, I do. 00:11:54.800 --> 00:11:56.950 So, uh, here you got the Republican elephant. 00:11:56.950 --> 00:12:01.620 He says, So it turns out ABC moderator Lindsay Davis is reportedly 00:12:01.620 --> 00:12:04.450 Kamala Harris's sorority sister. 00:12:04.450 --> 00:12:08.730 Also, it seems Kamala is Best friends with Dana Waldman, an 00:12:08.730 --> 00:12:11.580 executive at Disney who owns ABC. 00:12:12.020 --> 00:12:15.910 And now at ABC whistleblower has reportedly come forward with allegations 00:12:15.910 --> 00:12:19.710 that the debate questions were given in advance to Harris, along 00:12:19.710 --> 00:12:23.320 with instructions to the moderators to ruthlessly fact check Trump. 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:28.550 Oh, and there's a former advisor to Clinton, Mark Penn, who wants an internal 00:12:28.550 --> 00:12:32.880 investigation at ABC news, alleging the debate was rigged for Harris. 00:12:32.927 --> 00:12:36.487 This coffee isn't the only delicious thing I've been enjoying. 00:12:36.583 --> 00:12:39.603 all brought to you by a monkey that I pulled out of my butt. 00:12:43.640 --> 00:12:47.010 You know, that is just absolutely the conversation you hear 00:12:47.010 --> 00:12:48.610 every time you switch to Fox. 00:12:48.670 --> 00:12:50.160 there's nothing to anything. 00:12:50.160 --> 00:12:54.010 It's just, that, here's some stuff I could throw together in a few sentences. 00:12:54.010 --> 00:12:58.470 And let's talk about conspiracy because it's so impossible that Trump 00:12:58.510 --> 00:13:00.260 could have lost this debate to that. 00:13:00.280 --> 00:13:01.020 Kamala, 00:13:01.410 --> 00:13:02.260 Rick McKee: it's just pure men. 00:13:02.300 --> 00:13:03.480 It's just pure mental illness. 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.050 I've also seen it rationalized. 00:13:05.203 --> 00:13:09.067 in another cartoon where they were saying, well, you know, Haitians 00:13:09.067 --> 00:13:11.327 are poor and they eat animals. 00:13:11.347 --> 00:13:15.117 So therefore, these Haitians could very well be eating animals. 00:13:15.153 --> 00:13:17.317 And, uh, okay, show me, prove it. 00:13:17.657 --> 00:13:17.947 You know, 00:13:18.487 --> 00:13:20.027 Daryl Cagle: here, this one is by, R. 00:13:20.027 --> 00:13:20.227 J. 00:13:20.227 --> 00:13:22.807 Mattson and it is a Hindenburg cartoon. 00:13:23.137 --> 00:13:27.837 And you know, We just, we just love the Hindenburg. 00:13:27.837 --> 00:13:29.257 Cartoonists love the Hindenburg. 00:13:29.317 --> 00:13:29.820 And, 00:13:29.820 --> 00:13:31.140 Jeff Koterba: I still think it's too soon. 00:13:31.160 --> 00:13:31.360 No. 00:13:33.713 --> 00:13:36.253 Daryl Cagle: Well, of course, the point here is that his debate, 00:13:36.253 --> 00:13:38.653 performance was just so horrible. 00:13:38.767 --> 00:13:40.317 And, I think that's just 00:13:40.417 --> 00:13:40.697 Pat Bagley: okay. 00:13:40.697 --> 00:13:43.610 When I saw this for the first time, I didn't see the Trump balloon. 00:13:43.632 --> 00:13:45.225 Rick McKee: I did see it. 00:13:45.225 --> 00:13:45.623 That's 00:13:45.623 --> 00:13:46.022 great. 00:13:46.022 --> 00:13:46.818 Pat Bagley: That's great. 00:13:46.818 --> 00:13:49.822 Rick McKee: That's a, that's a beautiful illustration. 00:13:49.852 --> 00:13:50.232 I mean. 00:13:50.252 --> 00:13:52.212 Jeff Koterba: Beautiful drawing of an explosion. 00:13:52.432 --> 00:13:52.692 Rick McKee: R. 00:13:52.692 --> 00:13:52.942 J. 00:13:53.012 --> 00:13:54.152 Matson's got a great. 00:13:54.212 --> 00:13:54.772 Jeff Koterba: He's great. 00:13:54.858 --> 00:13:55.278 He's great. 00:13:55.302 --> 00:13:58.232 Daryl Cagle: So here is Gary McCoy, another of our conservatives. 00:13:58.232 --> 00:14:00.532 You've got the Secret Service guy with the, chest that's 00:14:00.612 --> 00:14:02.507 chained up and he says, Mr. 00:14:02.507 --> 00:14:05.852 Trump, you should never have accepted Vice President Harris's 00:14:05.852 --> 00:14:09.497 debate conditions because, you know, oh, the debate was a, he's a, 00:14:09.567 --> 00:14:09.897 he's a, 00:14:10.677 --> 00:14:15.412 the debate was a, a game, and the rules were rigged against him 00:14:15.412 --> 00:14:18.772 by the liberals at ABC and, uh, 00:14:18.832 --> 00:14:19.372 Rick McKee: yeah. 00:14:19.582 --> 00:14:21.262 And he's, he's a victim and. 00:14:21.657 --> 00:14:24.937 You know, the smartest man on the planet got duped and accepted 00:14:25.397 --> 00:14:27.867 conditions, you know, wow. 00:14:27.990 --> 00:14:28.450 Okay. 00:14:28.633 --> 00:14:31.743 Jeff Koterba: But I guess he'll do better with Putin and Kim Jong Un then. 00:14:31.793 --> 00:14:32.403 Rick McKee: Exactly. 00:14:32.453 --> 00:14:33.463 He won't be duped by them. 00:14:34.293 --> 00:14:39.073 Daryl Cagle: This one was by Taylor Jones and it's a Wizard of Oz 00:14:39.103 --> 00:14:43.043 cartoon with Trump as the Wicked Witch of the West who's melting. 00:14:44.097 --> 00:14:45.047 Pat Bagley: Nice melt 00:14:45.057 --> 00:14:45.237 there. 00:14:45.237 --> 00:14:45.347 I 00:14:45.347 --> 00:14:45.757 like that. 00:14:45.907 --> 00:14:46.147 Rick McKee: Yeah. 00:14:46.207 --> 00:14:49.173 Jeff Koterba: And, and that's a great, uh, drawing of her with 00:14:49.173 --> 00:14:50.883 that look during, from the debate. 00:14:50.883 --> 00:14:54.263 Debate, which was just delicious to, to see because I wanted 00:14:54.263 --> 00:14:57.067 Biden to do that during the debate, but of course he didn't. 00:14:57.097 --> 00:14:57.607 'cause he couldn't. 00:14:57.607 --> 00:15:02.047 But that look she gave him was, that spoke volumes and he captured it in his drawing. 00:15:02.577 --> 00:15:02.817 So, 00:15:02.817 --> 00:15:04.137 Rick McKee: so she's tough to 00:15:04.137 --> 00:15:04.737 draw too. 00:15:05.487 --> 00:15:05.687 Pat Bagley: Yeah. 00:15:05.977 --> 00:15:06.747 Daryl Cagle: She is hard to draw 00:15:06.747 --> 00:15:07.317 Pat Bagley: somebody new. 00:15:08.227 --> 00:15:09.157 Well get somebody new. 00:15:09.352 --> 00:15:13.308 We start out, and then we refine what she looks like, and I'm still 00:15:13.568 --> 00:15:16.285 trying to figure out what it is about her face that, stands out. 00:15:16.355 --> 00:15:17.135 Rick McKee: Yeah, he did it. 00:15:17.165 --> 00:15:18.215 He definitely did it there. 00:15:18.245 --> 00:15:19.275 Pat Bagley: Oh yeah, he caught it. 00:15:19.385 --> 00:15:22.525 Daryl Cagle: Well, I noticed a whole bunch of cartoonists are just drawing 00:15:22.555 --> 00:15:26.242 the biggest, smile that they can, taking up two thirds of her face. 00:15:26.522 --> 00:15:29.412 And that works, but you're stuck with one expression if you do that. 00:15:29.987 --> 00:15:30.167 Rick McKee: That's true. 00:15:30.297 --> 00:15:33.937 Daryl Cagle: So this is Dave Whamond, and he's got the kid in 00:15:33.937 --> 00:15:38.817 school, and the teacher says, Do you have your book report finished? 00:15:38.817 --> 00:15:41.667 And the kid says, I have concepts of a plan. 00:15:42.117 --> 00:15:49.337 This was, Trump's, uh, response about his not having a plan to replace Obamacare. 00:15:50.680 --> 00:15:52.760 Rick McKee: And which is funny. 00:15:52.760 --> 00:15:59.870 I saw a super cut yesterday on Tik TOK and it was starting back in like 2015 or 2016. 00:15:59.880 --> 00:16:03.400 It was every instance where he said, they're going to repeal and replace it 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.903 and I have a plan and we're going to sign it maybe this Sunday, or we're going 00:16:06.903 --> 00:16:08.793 to do it very soon, maybe next week. 00:16:08.823 --> 00:16:11.643 And it was just video after video, after video. 00:16:12.093 --> 00:16:15.333 And it finally culminated with that clip from the debate where he 00:16:15.333 --> 00:16:17.910 says, I have concepts of a plan. 00:16:18.220 --> 00:16:21.457 Pat Bagley: So, so, have you seen today's cartoon, my cartoon today? 00:16:21.457 --> 00:16:25.703 It's just words, blank space that says, I have a concept of a cartoon. 00:16:28.243 --> 00:16:32.183 Daryl Cagle: Well, this, this Dave Whamond cartoon was the number one cartoon of 00:16:32.363 --> 00:16:34.730 the week and it is just, crazy popular. 00:16:34.730 --> 00:16:38.657 which kind of surprises me, I'm getting emails from people saying, 00:16:38.817 --> 00:16:42.697 what's the significance of the math problem on the, the blackboard? 00:16:42.697 --> 00:16:43.797 We're debating that. 00:16:43.797 --> 00:16:45.477 Jeff Koterba: The answer is 81. 00:16:45.517 --> 00:16:47.177 8889, by the way. 00:16:47.247 --> 00:16:47.517 Interesting. 00:16:49.827 --> 00:16:50.727 I wondered that too. 00:16:50.727 --> 00:16:53.577 Like I wondered because normally you draw a blackboard and you draw some 00:16:53.577 --> 00:16:57.417 smudges and a bunch of figures kind of, kind of blurred in the background. 00:16:57.417 --> 00:16:58.347 So I wonder that too. 00:16:58.377 --> 00:17:00.147 'cause it, your eye is drawn to that. 00:17:00.327 --> 00:17:01.707 So I didn't know if he was like a ask. 00:17:02.297 --> 00:17:05.237 Maybe somebody who knows was born in 1981 and he was 00:17:05.507 --> 00:17:08.687 . Rick McKee: Let me ask you old guys this, because this is something I've been. 00:17:08.728 --> 00:17:10.558 Sort of not necessarily struggling with. 00:17:10.568 --> 00:17:12.548 But every time I draw a classroom size, 00:17:12.645 --> 00:17:13.385 Jeff Koterba: I know what you're going to say. 00:17:13.785 --> 00:17:16.155 When do we start or white 00:17:16.485 --> 00:17:17.065 Rick McKee: white board? 00:17:17.465 --> 00:17:20.615 They don't, I mean, they're not doing blackboards anymore, 00:17:20.742 --> 00:17:20.942 Jeff Koterba: right. 00:17:20.982 --> 00:17:23.572 Rick McKee: Unless you're in the smallest, most rural school. 00:17:23.637 --> 00:17:29.217 I think don't have these old style green blackboards anymore. 00:17:29.327 --> 00:17:31.907 Jeff Koterba: Rick, when are we going to start, stop drawing Uncle Sam? 00:17:32.310 --> 00:17:34.297 Rick McKee: Well, never, never. 00:17:34.307 --> 00:17:34.967 Jeff Koterba: I mean, that's a strike. 00:17:34.977 --> 00:17:36.477 I've tried to do that. 00:17:36.477 --> 00:17:42.517 I've tried to draw, you know, aunt Sammy and other characters, but it just doesn't. 00:17:43.107 --> 00:17:43.187 Rick McKee: A 00:17:43.867 --> 00:17:45.037 whiteboard is no fun. 00:17:45.067 --> 00:17:47.737 A blackboard, you know, you can reverse stuff out of it. 00:17:48.147 --> 00:17:48.347 Daryl Cagle: Oh yeah. 00:17:48.727 --> 00:17:50.097 Look at this composition of this. 00:17:50.097 --> 00:17:54.042 If that was a white board, It wouldn't, wouldn't look good on it. 00:17:54.612 --> 00:17:55.252 Rick McKee: I would ruin it. 00:17:55.302 --> 00:17:55.922 Absolutely. 00:17:56.538 --> 00:17:57.845 That's what they're doing. 00:17:58.045 --> 00:17:59.165 Daryl Cagle: Here's another Dave Whamond. 00:17:59.295 --> 00:18:00.225 Jeff Koterba: It's a green board. 00:18:00.798 --> 00:18:03.818 Daryl Cagle: You've got Trump hiding and saying is Kamala gone. 00:18:05.228 --> 00:18:08.745 Pat Bagley: For some reason, this reminded me of the Hitchcock, classic, The Birds. 00:18:08.885 --> 00:18:08.975 Where, 00:18:09.585 --> 00:18:09.945 Rick McKee: yeah, 00:18:09.975 --> 00:18:11.935 Pat Bagley: he opens and all the birds come out. 00:18:12.735 --> 00:18:15.485 Daryl Cagle: Oh, was it set up with this, uh, scene for the shot? 00:18:15.545 --> 00:18:16.595 It was like this. 00:18:16.595 --> 00:18:16.655 Yeah. 00:18:17.245 --> 00:18:18.295 Maybe that's what he's do. 00:18:18.475 --> 00:18:19.855 He's making an allegory. 00:18:19.902 --> 00:18:21.102 Uh, well, I doubt it. 00:18:21.637 --> 00:18:24.017 , but that's what came to my mind. 00:18:24.570 --> 00:18:29.135 So here he is, got Trump splashing his ketchup against the wall as he does. 00:18:29.135 --> 00:18:30.575 We know when he gets angry 00:18:30.698 --> 00:18:35.728 Rick McKee: yeah, I saw this cartoon because I was posting that night and Dave 00:18:35.728 --> 00:18:41.388 was already up and I was trying to decide if he drew this before the debate, or 00:18:41.388 --> 00:18:46.518 during the debate, or, I think he had this ready to go, just, and his assumption was 00:18:46.552 --> 00:18:50.162 correctly that this was going to be the way it went, and I think he called it. 00:18:51.122 --> 00:18:54.762 It'd be interesting to know if he did that or maybe somehow 00:18:54.812 --> 00:18:56.328 cranked it out afterwards. 00:18:56.502 --> 00:18:59.362 probably not anything anybody else is interested in, but I thought it was 00:18:59.362 --> 00:19:00.522 interesting that it was up cycled. 00:19:00.572 --> 00:19:04.858 Daryl Cagle: You know, John Darkow has Trump saying, The debate was rigged. 00:19:04.948 --> 00:19:05.878 They let me speak. 00:19:08.048 --> 00:19:09.158 Rick McKee: Kentucky Fried cat. 00:19:09.282 --> 00:19:09.832 That's great. 00:19:09.918 --> 00:19:14.162 Daryl Cagle: Bob Englehart with Trump as the Tasmanian devil, Kamala 00:19:14.322 --> 00:19:16.875 Harris debates the Tasmanian devil. 00:19:16.922 --> 00:19:17.952 Rick McKee: that's an awesome take. 00:19:17.952 --> 00:19:18.702 Very simple. 00:19:19.152 --> 00:19:21.412 And uh, I don't even know that you needed those words. 00:19:21.412 --> 00:19:24.052 In fact, I think maybe I would have left the words out and just done it like that. 00:19:24.552 --> 00:19:24.972 Yeah. 00:19:25.282 --> 00:19:25.672 That's good. 00:19:25.987 --> 00:19:26.777 That's great. 00:19:26.947 --> 00:19:27.417 Simple. 00:19:27.613 --> 00:19:32.013 Daryl Cagle: Chris Weyant has, Trump spewing his nonsense and a couple 00:19:32.013 --> 00:19:36.723 watching TV says too bad Trump's mic can't be muted after the debate too. 00:19:36.770 --> 00:19:38.873 Pat Bagley: So I'm finding this really interesting looking 00:19:38.873 --> 00:19:42.650 at the way that different cartoonists are, depicting Kamala, 00:19:42.818 --> 00:19:43.238 Rick McKee: yeah, 00:19:43.375 --> 00:19:44.185 Pat Bagley: and we're working on it. 00:19:44.215 --> 00:19:45.965 We're still trying to figure it out. 00:19:46.032 --> 00:19:46.382 Rick McKee: Yeah. 00:19:46.528 --> 00:19:46.618 Yeah. 00:19:46.618 --> 00:19:47.208 She's hard 00:19:47.708 --> 00:19:52.615 Daryl Cagle: you wouldn't know that's her if it wasn't in context or, if she was 00:19:52.615 --> 00:19:54.255 in a crowd, there'd be no picking her out. 00:19:54.698 --> 00:19:54.998 Pat Bagley: Yeah. 00:19:55.125 --> 00:19:56.325 Daryl Cagle: Here's Michael de Adder. 00:19:56.345 --> 00:19:59.175 This is a David and Goliath cartoon. 00:20:00.762 --> 00:20:03.862 Rick McKee: You know, I saw one just the other day and I can't remember who did it. 00:20:03.925 --> 00:20:07.885 And it might've been Rivers that had Trump as David and Goliath. 00:20:07.992 --> 00:20:13.382 And he was David going after, you know, Everybody else who was ganging up on him. 00:20:13.442 --> 00:20:14.602 Uh, wow. 00:20:14.632 --> 00:20:16.782 Daryl Cagle: That is the Republican mindset, isn't it? 00:20:16.792 --> 00:20:20.672 They're the little underdogs fighting against the huge, mainstream. 00:20:20.775 --> 00:20:21.015 Pat Bagley: Yeah. 00:20:21.015 --> 00:20:21.965 I saw that cartoon. 00:20:22.025 --> 00:20:22.925 Who, who did that? 00:20:23.102 --> 00:20:24.252 Rick McKee: I can't remember. 00:20:24.292 --> 00:20:25.622 I think it might've been Rivers. 00:20:25.808 --> 00:20:27.248 or, well, nevermind. 00:20:28.655 --> 00:20:28.925 Okay. 00:20:28.925 --> 00:20:30.065 This one I didn't quite get. 00:20:30.065 --> 00:20:32.075 Is he in, is he in a safe space? 00:20:32.075 --> 00:20:32.585 Is that where? 00:20:32.585 --> 00:20:33.485 Is that where he is? 00:20:33.965 --> 00:20:37.405 Daryl Cagle: Here you have, uh, Trump in his safe deposit box. 00:20:37.405 --> 00:20:39.235 I think I have the biggest crowd sizes. 00:20:39.235 --> 00:20:40.345 Nobody leaves my rallies. 00:20:40.435 --> 00:20:41.455 Pat Bagley: oh, oh, oh. 00:20:41.455 --> 00:20:42.055 I figured this one. 00:20:42.453 --> 00:20:44.707 It's you're looking inside the door. 00:20:44.727 --> 00:20:46.243 Somebody's opening up the oh, 00:20:46.243 --> 00:20:49.723 yeah And he's in the room beyond 00:20:49.780 --> 00:20:53.570 Daryl Cagle: that's his padded cell That's where they pass 00:20:53.570 --> 00:20:55.280 his meals through the door, 00:20:55.860 --> 00:20:57.657 Rick McKee: okay Got it. 00:20:57.770 --> 00:20:58.680 Daryl Cagle: Very good 00:20:58.733 --> 00:20:59.733 Rick McKee: I didn't initially get, 00:20:59.857 --> 00:21:00.447 Pat Bagley: I didn't either. 00:21:00.557 --> 00:21:03.313 Daryl Cagle: Okay, here's Pat Byrnes Trump's getting a ticket. 00:21:03.313 --> 00:21:04.483 He says, it's rigged. 00:21:04.733 --> 00:21:07.093 He's making a lousy sandcastle, rigged. 00:21:07.250 --> 00:21:09.180 Can't make his shot, rigged. 00:21:09.277 --> 00:21:11.187 Gets an F on his paper, rigged. 00:21:11.297 --> 00:21:13.407 This is just kind of a life story. 00:21:13.550 --> 00:21:13.850 Pat Bagley: Yeah. 00:21:14.783 --> 00:21:16.253 Daryl Cagle: Days in the life of Trump. 00:21:16.290 --> 00:21:18.830 Randy Enos has, Trump Chicken Little. 00:21:18.863 --> 00:21:20.513 and, uh, that's fun. 00:21:20.607 --> 00:21:21.227 Rick McKee: That is great. 00:21:21.857 --> 00:21:26.137 He's really, he's really sort of, embraced a more cartoony style. 00:21:26.147 --> 00:21:27.397 I think it's working for him. 00:21:27.797 --> 00:21:29.057 Daryl Cagle: He's in his own place. 00:21:29.217 --> 00:21:33.297 Randy Enos has just shot up to where he's in the top 10 all the time. 00:21:33.677 --> 00:21:35.397 Rick McKee: I know, and I think it's because he's moving. 00:21:36.597 --> 00:21:39.777 Well, he's not away from that woodcut style that I think, you 00:21:39.777 --> 00:21:43.623 know, and he's also doing them, you know, more horizontal and, I think 00:21:43.623 --> 00:21:45.603 editors like that sort of stuff more. 00:21:45.740 --> 00:21:46.560 Daryl Cagle: He's, uh, 00:21:46.610 --> 00:21:49.090 Jeff Koterba: and has one of the more unusual signatures. 00:21:49.233 --> 00:21:49.473 Rick McKee: Yes. 00:21:50.260 --> 00:21:51.740 Daryl Cagle: Here's another Randy Enos. 00:21:51.760 --> 00:21:55.245 Those Trump says I won the debate just like I won the last election. 00:21:55.888 --> 00:21:56.918 Rick McKee: Yeah, that's great. 00:21:56.995 --> 00:21:58.725 Daryl Cagle: Here's one from Peter Kuper. 00:21:58.815 --> 00:22:01.935 Trump's debate prep, building a brick wall around him. 00:22:01.988 --> 00:22:05.128 I'm not sure that's how I would view Trump's debate prep. 00:22:05.228 --> 00:22:07.858 Rick McKee: I don't, yeah, I don't think he had any debate prep, honestly. 00:22:07.890 --> 00:22:12.450 from everything I read, it was just talking to people, you know, Matt Gates, 00:22:12.450 --> 00:22:15.640 Daryl Cagle: you know, he's got, he's got this small palette of things that 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:21.330 he says at his rallies and stuff and for any occasion, and he was just, 00:22:21.485 --> 00:22:23.575 There with his same, pallet of stuff. 00:22:23.655 --> 00:22:26.408 And there really isn't that much there for him to draw upon. 00:22:26.408 --> 00:22:27.648 Jeff Koterba: But I think that was kind of the point. 00:22:27.658 --> 00:22:30.742 That was kind of the point that he was making with this cartoon, small pallet. 00:22:30.742 --> 00:22:33.268 I mean, just this, he's just immersed himself in this 00:22:33.288 --> 00:22:35.428 very finite pallet of things, 00:22:36.228 --> 00:22:36.848 Daryl Cagle: immigration, 00:22:36.848 --> 00:22:38.708 crime, transgender, Hunter Biden, 00:22:39.138 --> 00:22:40.512 Rick McKee: he's in a well, that makes sense 00:22:40.585 --> 00:22:41.445 Daryl Cagle: in a well. 00:22:42.088 --> 00:22:43.578 Rick McKee: Well, fort of some sort. 00:22:43.615 --> 00:22:44.005 Daryl Cagle: Yeah. 00:22:44.275 --> 00:22:45.575 This one's weirder and weirder. 00:22:45.575 --> 00:22:48.525 Alice in Wonderland and the Trump Cheshire cat. 00:22:49.068 --> 00:22:50.188 Rick McKee: That's a lovely drawing. 00:22:50.248 --> 00:22:53.802 Daryl Cagle: the weird thing, uh, is just, uh, it's interesting 00:22:53.802 --> 00:22:55.222 how that connects with people. 00:22:55.255 --> 00:22:57.215 Here's Adam Zyglis. 00:22:57.245 --> 00:23:01.177 Trump just, being completely taken apart by, uh, Kamala. 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:02.080 Pat Bagley: Oh, she screwed him. 00:23:02.143 --> 00:23:02.623 See that? 00:23:02.747 --> 00:23:04.307 Rick McKee: Oh, she's removed a screw. 00:23:04.312 --> 00:23:05.842 Yeah, she's unscrewed him. 00:23:06.392 --> 00:23:07.082 Pat Bagley: Unscrewed him. 00:23:07.752 --> 00:23:08.042 . Rick McKee: Yeah. 00:23:08.042 --> 00:23:08.802 She's unscrewed him 00:23:09.147 --> 00:23:10.587 Jeff Koterba: un unhinged or something. 00:23:10.647 --> 00:23:10.977 Rick McKee: Yes. 00:23:11.743 --> 00:23:13.807 Daryl Cagle: Here's Dave Granlund with, a cartoon. 00:23:13.807 --> 00:23:15.367 you could have drawn in advance. 00:23:15.367 --> 00:23:16.237 Maybe he did. 00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:16.610 Rick McKee: Yeah. 00:23:16.615 --> 00:23:16.875 Could be. 00:23:17.138 --> 00:23:17.458 And 00:23:17.468 --> 00:23:18.978 Daryl Cagle: again, hook, line, and sinker. 00:23:18.978 --> 00:23:20.968 This one is drawn after the debate. 00:23:21.025 --> 00:23:21.615 That's good. 00:23:22.298 --> 00:23:22.878 Rick McKee: That's fun. 00:23:22.932 --> 00:23:23.912 Daryl Cagle: Um, yeah. 00:23:25.153 --> 00:23:28.353 And, uh, fish, I love to draw fish in cartoons. 00:23:28.381 --> 00:23:31.308 So here's some Rivers I threw in here because, we're not 00:23:31.318 --> 00:23:32.901 getting much from the other side. 00:23:32.901 --> 00:23:37.281 most of the cartoonists are on the left and, This says polls show undecided 00:23:37.281 --> 00:23:39.661 voters thought Trump won, which. 00:23:39.661 --> 00:23:40.901 Was not correct, 00:23:40.951 --> 00:23:41.191 Pat Bagley: yeah. 00:23:41.201 --> 00:23:44.584 Well, he could, he could have done this before the debate, no matter 00:23:44.584 --> 00:23:46.474 what he was going to say this, right? 00:23:47.788 --> 00:23:51.758 Daryl Cagle: And the Democrat donkey says, did you see the debate? 00:23:51.938 --> 00:23:54.358 Did you see how convincing Kamala was? 00:23:54.388 --> 00:23:59.534 Well, did you and undecided voters say, yes, she convinced me to vote for Trump. 00:23:59.629 --> 00:24:02.669 Which is just, uh, that did not happen. 00:24:02.669 --> 00:24:05.599 Rick McKee: It did not. 00:24:05.693 --> 00:24:09.783 Daryl Cagle: Trump versus the entire establishment, the real David and Goliath. 00:24:09.863 --> 00:24:10.693 Pat Bagley: So who's the artist? 00:24:10.753 --> 00:24:11.773 Daryl Cagle: This is Rivers. 00:24:11.793 --> 00:24:14.413 Rick McKee: I wonder if this was in response to the Adders cartoon, 00:24:15.273 --> 00:24:16.703 because I know he does this. 00:24:16.800 --> 00:24:22.190 Daryl Cagle: I think David and Goliath is kind of a theme on the right. 00:24:22.276 --> 00:24:25.036 It's just the way they feel about the world. 00:24:25.496 --> 00:24:25.826 Rick McKee: Yeah. 00:24:25.873 --> 00:24:29.520 Daryl Cagle: Here's the old couple and The old man is saying, Trump is such 00:24:29.520 --> 00:24:34.070 an idiot, I have no good authority from the media, no one is eating pets. 00:24:34.070 --> 00:24:38.453 And the wife says, wait, where is Fluffy and where is that smell coming from? 00:24:38.543 --> 00:24:41.333 Because of course, you know, there must be some truth behind it. 00:24:41.513 --> 00:24:41.823 Rick McKee: Yeah. 00:24:43.310 --> 00:24:45.410 Daryl Cagle: So this is Arend van Dam. 00:24:46.050 --> 00:24:49.133 And you know how we all like to draw, peeing cartoons 00:24:49.133 --> 00:24:50.693 and they never get printed. 00:24:50.743 --> 00:24:52.123 Here is an example. 00:24:52.156 --> 00:24:55.336 Some of us just stopped drawing the peeing cartoons since we know 00:24:55.336 --> 00:24:56.546 they're not going to be printed. 00:24:56.683 --> 00:24:59.660 And some of the cartoonists just keep drawing them anyway. 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.350 Rick McKee: I'm not familiar with this cartoonist. 00:25:01.350 --> 00:25:03.110 Is he European or something? 00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:04.370 Daryl Cagle: He is from Holland. 00:25:04.406 --> 00:25:06.626 Jeff Koterba: European, ah. 00:25:06.626 --> 00:25:07.416 Rick McKee: European. 00:25:07.620 --> 00:25:07.780 Yeah. 00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:08.590 Oh, 00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:10.320 Daryl Cagle: I got that. 00:25:11.836 --> 00:25:13.396 Oh, wait, am I out of cartoons? 00:25:13.396 --> 00:25:14.536 I think I am. 00:25:14.886 --> 00:25:15.666 Rick McKee: Wow, is that all? 00:25:15.833 --> 00:25:17.633 Daryl Cagle: You felt like this was a quick one? 00:25:17.840 --> 00:25:18.040 Rick McKee: Yeah. 00:25:18.260 --> 00:25:20.030 Jeff Koterba: We were going to talk about Saint Just, I thought. 00:25:20.579 --> 00:25:22.589 Daryl Cagle: Oh, we should have talked about Saint Just. 00:25:22.646 --> 00:25:26.806 I should say that all you guys have gone to this great political cartoons 00:25:26.806 --> 00:25:30.916 convention in Saint Just, and it's fun, and this collection of cartoons 00:25:30.916 --> 00:25:36.083 that we are doing today is, from a show that we're doing there on the U. 00:25:36.083 --> 00:25:36.433 S. 00:25:36.693 --> 00:25:40.773 election, so if you're hanging around rural France and you want 00:25:40.773 --> 00:25:43.803 to go take a look at a great exhibition, this is, this is great. 00:25:43.803 --> 00:25:48.213 This is, uh, great fun and, uh, you guys are all in this exhibition 00:25:48.213 --> 00:25:50.713 and are all old Saint Just hands. 00:25:50.713 --> 00:25:53.023 So, uh, we are, we is 00:25:53.023 --> 00:25:53.983 Pat Bagley: every, is everybody 00:25:53.983 --> 00:25:54.643 Daryl Cagle: here going? 00:25:54.643 --> 00:25:55.213 I'm not going. 00:25:55.213 --> 00:25:57.736 I'm going and Pat is going. 00:25:57.776 --> 00:26:00.056 Jeff has been going for a lot of years in a row. 00:26:00.056 --> 00:26:00.327 It is just. 00:26:00.695 --> 00:26:01.615 missing this year. 00:26:01.758 --> 00:26:01.968 It's a 00:26:01.968 --> 00:26:02.598 Jeff Koterba: lovely time. 00:26:03.048 --> 00:26:05.748 I wish I could Well, I'm starting full-time, uh, on the 00:26:05.748 --> 00:26:08.088 classical radio show that week. 00:26:08.128 --> 00:26:12.898 And, but Saint Just, the festival is the reason that I started learning French 00:26:12.898 --> 00:26:15.838 because of all the local people that I wanted to communicate with, with. 00:26:15.928 --> 00:26:19.578 And so it was actually five years ago I started learning French and I started 00:26:19.618 --> 00:26:23.765 a French conversation group, inspired again by the people of this festival. 00:26:23.808 --> 00:26:27.658 It is now the largest, the fastest growing and largest free weekly 00:26:27.668 --> 00:26:29.588 French meetups in the United States. 00:26:29.975 --> 00:26:30.475 Pat Bagley: Oh, cool. 00:26:30.505 --> 00:26:31.165 Good for you. 00:26:31.201 --> 00:26:31.501 Yeah. 00:26:31.601 --> 00:26:31.761 Great. 00:26:31.761 --> 00:26:31.781 We 00:26:31.971 --> 00:26:33.861 Jeff Koterba: have over 500, 500 people. 00:26:33.898 --> 00:26:34.138 Pat Bagley: Okay. 00:26:34.368 --> 00:26:36.258 How old were you when you started learning French? 00:26:36.308 --> 00:26:37.008 Jeff Koterba: Five years ago. 00:26:37.018 --> 00:26:41.068 So 50, 57, 58. 00:26:43.078 --> 00:26:43.198 Pat Bagley: Wow. 00:26:43.658 --> 00:26:46.068 I mean, who learns a second language when you're 57, but. 00:26:46.138 --> 00:26:49.878 Jeff Koterba: Well, I'll tell you, I will say I, I was taking a class 00:26:49.878 --> 00:26:55.274 through Alliance Francaise early on and we had, I was beginning French class. 00:26:55.320 --> 00:26:59.980 There was a woman who was 93 in the beginning French class. 00:27:00.030 --> 00:27:02.983 She had a magnifying glass and a little flashlight so she 00:27:02.983 --> 00:27:04.443 could read the text better. 00:27:04.943 --> 00:27:06.713 And that was so inspirational to me. 00:27:06.913 --> 00:27:10.153 And it reminded me that anybody who says, Oh, I always wished I could 00:27:10.256 --> 00:27:11.856 learn a language or play the piano. 00:27:11.903 --> 00:27:12.733 Well, okay. 00:27:12.853 --> 00:27:14.763 So she was a big inspiration to me. 00:27:14.821 --> 00:27:15.711 That was years ago. 00:27:15.711 --> 00:27:17.041 So I don't know if she's still around or not 00:27:17.085 --> 00:27:17.775 Pat Bagley: good on you. 00:27:18.665 --> 00:27:20.925 Rick McKee: I've been there, I don't know, three times now. 00:27:20.965 --> 00:27:22.625 And, uh, I've always had a great time. 00:27:22.625 --> 00:27:23.575 It's always fun. 00:27:23.594 --> 00:27:25.915 I think, you know, my biggest takeaway. 00:27:25.947 --> 00:27:31.737 Being, an ugly American is, uh, just how normal and relatable and how 00:27:31.787 --> 00:27:33.527 the French people are just like us. 00:27:33.603 --> 00:27:36.933 and when I say just like us, I mean like small town America, just like us. 00:27:37.113 --> 00:27:39.923 And, I think that's, really everybody you meet there, 00:27:40.027 --> 00:27:44.607 Daryl Cagle: in France, these little towns will pick a theme and have some 00:27:44.607 --> 00:27:46.747 kind of a festival on an arts theme. 00:27:46.757 --> 00:27:51.057 Lots of them pick, jazz and, there are some comic cons and 00:27:51.207 --> 00:27:52.967 history festivals and things. 00:27:53.023 --> 00:27:57.553 Uh, and this little town picked editorial cartoons, which is kind of crazy. 00:27:57.683 --> 00:28:00.533 There's nothing, no place else in the world that I can think of that 00:28:00.983 --> 00:28:02.768 has would do something like that. 00:28:02.798 --> 00:28:07.562 And here in America, editorial cartoonists are used to being 00:28:07.562 --> 00:28:12.435 reviled all of our emails from people that hate us and are, are angry. 00:28:12.435 --> 00:28:14.375 And to go to a place where, 00:28:14.585 --> 00:28:15.825 Rick McKee: uh, like Jerry Lewis, 00:28:15.955 --> 00:28:17.315 Daryl Cagle: love what we do. 00:28:17.795 --> 00:28:19.555 That's just a crazy experience. 00:28:19.745 --> 00:28:23.715 How, where else have you seen anything like that exist? 00:28:23.715 --> 00:28:24.075 Rick McKee: Nowhere. 00:28:24.075 --> 00:28:24.465 Nowhere. 00:28:24.495 --> 00:28:24.945 You're right. 00:28:24.965 --> 00:28:27.005 You're, you're like, you're like visiting celebrities. 00:28:27.005 --> 00:28:28.555 And when it's time to leave. 00:28:28.875 --> 00:28:32.395 They all line up on the road and wave to the bus. 00:28:32.405 --> 00:28:34.275 You know, the whole town comes out. 00:28:34.275 --> 00:28:38.955 on that Sunday and you're you're on the charter bus and everybody's waving and 00:28:38.955 --> 00:28:40.945 you know Blowing kisses and it's just the 00:28:41.455 --> 00:28:41.565 craziest thing 00:28:42.045 --> 00:28:44.785 Daryl Cagle: It's it is crazy and you know They cook dinner for us 00:28:44.838 --> 00:28:49.088 in a giant tent with everybody from town and all the teenagers from 00:28:49.088 --> 00:28:54.135 town serving the food and they cheer and they're happy and it's a wild 00:28:54.135 --> 00:28:56.745 experience every editorial cartoonist. 00:28:56.745 --> 00:28:59.085 I think should experience this craziness 00:28:59.085 --> 00:28:59.355 Rick McKee: Right. 00:28:59.355 --> 00:29:01.835 You're there on a, you're there on a Friday night in the Fall 00:29:01.885 --> 00:29:05.245 and you have all these teenagers cooking and serving for you. 00:29:05.245 --> 00:29:08.225 And you know, in America they'd be, you know, at the high school football game. 00:29:08.235 --> 00:29:09.665 And I guess there's no such thing over there. 00:29:09.715 --> 00:29:13.805 And, uh, they're just, they put on a show and they feed 00:29:13.805 --> 00:29:15.978 you this great endless steaks. 00:29:16.015 --> 00:29:17.415 And, uh, it's just fantastic. 00:29:17.642 --> 00:29:19.992 Well, anyway, so that's going to be happening. 00:29:20.162 --> 00:29:22.552 Jeff Koterba: I just want to say one, uh, just like to say one more thing 00:29:22.792 --> 00:29:26.162 on, on Saint Just, you know, one of the things that, that creates, it fosters 00:29:26.162 --> 00:29:30.062 this sense of camaraderie and they're a cartoonist from across the political 00:29:30.062 --> 00:29:34.438 spectrum that people that you may not agree with politically, but you respect 00:29:34.458 --> 00:29:39.935 them, you respect their work, and we can all agree to disagree in a civil way. 00:29:39.970 --> 00:29:44.863 Have a steak some wine or beer and everyone gets along and that's missing 00:29:44.863 --> 00:29:48.423 in American politics That's civil discourse the agreeing to disagree 00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:53.017 Sit down over a beer or coffee and and do so in a kind in a kind way 00:29:53.097 --> 00:29:56.928 Daryl Cagle: I see a lot of the news about how France is torn between right 00:29:56.948 --> 00:30:01.488 and left and, they certainly, protest and look mad on TV, but that's not 00:30:01.488 --> 00:30:02.938 something I ever see when I go there. 00:30:02.938 --> 00:30:05.462 They're just so, uh, lovely and nice. 00:30:05.552 --> 00:30:06.482 Rick McKee: Never encountered that. 00:30:06.802 --> 00:30:08.977 People from all over the world go there and, and, and, uh, 00:30:09.133 --> 00:30:10.363 Everybody just has a good time. 00:30:10.393 --> 00:30:10.933 it's great. 00:30:11.027 --> 00:30:14.817 Daryl Cagle: So, this was the exhibition that you will see in Saint Just in 00:30:14.817 --> 00:30:19.173 a couple of weeks last weekend of September, first weekend of October. 00:30:19.173 --> 00:30:22.670 And it will continue there for a while and, it will be great fun. 00:30:22.670 --> 00:30:25.460 And you've seen, four of the artists that will be in that show. 00:30:25.527 --> 00:30:27.177 gentlemen, any last things to say? 00:30:27.273 --> 00:30:30.077 Pat Bagley: Yeah, the first time I went to Saint Just, I met. 00:30:30.077 --> 00:30:34.487 Three of the artists from, Charlie Hebdo, Cartoonists who were, uh, assassinated 00:30:35.163 --> 00:30:39.987 and it was just a couple months later in January where the terrorists went into 00:30:39.987 --> 00:30:42.367 the offices and killed these people. 00:30:42.367 --> 00:30:43.767 And I thought, oh, this is serious business. 00:30:44.667 --> 00:30:44.997 Rick McKee: Right. 00:30:44.997 --> 00:30:49.757 I met some of them too and, you know, uh, hung out and chatted with them. 00:30:49.757 --> 00:30:50.637 And you're right. 00:30:50.647 --> 00:30:53.647 When that happens, you're like, man, that really makes it personal 00:30:53.783 --> 00:30:57.107 and brings it home, that this sort of thing is going on in the world. 00:30:57.193 --> 00:30:57.983 Daryl Cagle: Yes. 00:30:58.003 --> 00:31:02.133 And, they were convention friends for us because we go year after year and, 00:31:02.143 --> 00:31:05.980 you know, you, you kind of develop friendships at conventions like that. 00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:10.175 And it does, it doesn't seem that Distant, like it's a once a year thing 00:31:10.175 --> 00:31:11.875 as you get to see them over the years. 00:31:12.045 --> 00:31:14.275 Rick McKee: And they become Facebook friends and you interact with them. 00:31:14.275 --> 00:31:16.302 And, you know, it's, uh, real people. 00:31:16.302 --> 00:31:20.275 Daryl Cagle: So this was something that really hit all the cartoonists hard. 00:31:20.325 --> 00:31:24.295 The editorial cartooning community around the world is not that big a community. 00:31:24.575 --> 00:31:25.865 And we tend to know each other. 00:31:25.965 --> 00:31:31.145 So, um, on that sad note, gentlemen, I think this podcast was a great one. 00:31:31.292 --> 00:31:31.682 Rick McKee: Fun. 00:31:32.062 --> 00:31:32.752 I had fun doing it. 00:31:32.792 --> 00:31:32.842 It's 00:31:32.862 --> 00:31:33.762 good to see you guys too. 00:31:34.012 --> 00:31:34.462 So yeah, 00:31:34.682 --> 00:31:36.962 you guys have, you guys have fun in France. 00:31:37.412 --> 00:31:37.952 Daryl Cagle: Okay. 00:31:37.952 --> 00:31:40.452 So remember to subscribe to the Caglecast wherever you're 00:31:40.452 --> 00:31:41.862 watching or listening today. 00:31:42.082 --> 00:31:45.122 Our Caglecast is available in both video and audio versions. 00:31:45.122 --> 00:31:48.855 So if you don't see the cartoons as you're listening to this, go to Cagle.Com 00:31:48.875 --> 00:31:54.355 or Apple podcasts or Rumble.com or YouTube or Spotify or Caglecast.Com. 00:31:54.780 --> 00:31:59.570 To, see the cartoons with the video podcast and, uh, please subscribe, 00:31:59.570 --> 00:32:04.550 wherever you watch podcasts and thank you everyone for joining us today. 00:32:04.550 --> 00:32:07.620 And gentlemen, thank you for a great podcast. 00:32:07.620 --> 00:32:08.000 Okay. 00:32:08.110 --> 00:32:09.683 See you guys. 00:32:09.683 --> 00:32:11.637 Love you guys. 00:32:11.637 --> 00:32:12.940 Take care. 00:32:13.020 --> 00:32:13.800 See you later.