68B Trump Zoo! === Daryl Cagle: [00:00:00] Hi, I'm Daryl Cagle, and this is the Caglecast where we're all about editorial cartoons. And today we have Bill Day Adam Zyglis at Dave Whamond who have the distinction of having drawn more Trump as an animal cartoons than any other nationally syndicated editorial cartoonists. I think that, uh, I think you deserve an award for that gentleman, but all you get is this podcast and my sincere thanks for your, your excellent zoological presidency. And, we're gonna start off with Dave. Nice. Dave here, you've got Trump Lame Duck a l'orange. I think this is funny as hell. Dave Whamond: Well, oh, thanks. I can't remember what the situation was for. This must have been the later part of his, uh, first term, but, it just came to me that, uh, duck. a l'o range is a natural for Trump, and it's one of those one you, once you get the idea, you can't wait to draw it. So the trick is, well, there Daryl Cagle: were a, there were a bunch of, uh, lame duck trumps. Oh, there were. Okay. Yeah. Talk about this presidency being his whole lame duck presidency. Yeah. Uh, but, none a l'orange. And [00:01:00] most of them are all very much the same in lots of, Donald Duck and, uh mm-hmm. I mean, the duck aran is, uh, it's sweet. Bill Day: He's, he's turned a little bit darker orange than he is here. Yeah. Yeah. Whole bronze. He keeps getting darker orange. Dave Whamond: Yeah. The trick too was, um, with a bill, I found it tricky to make it look like him as well. so I think, um, and get the expression right, but I think it worked out okay. But I found that a little tricky to take an animal and, and or morph a politician into an animal. Sometimes it starts to not look like them. Daryl Cagle: So. It's what we live for Dave. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Sometimes you're throwing paper around the room though 'cause it's not working out so well. Here's the stable genius. Uh, that's very funny. Oh, thanks. Yeah, I'm sure this has been done too before, but I couldn't resist. Uh, I tried to make his face into a long horse's nose, but it wasn't working out, so I decided just to put, put the face on the, the horse neck. So Adam Zyglis: the mouth? Yeah, the mouth next. This horse. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Daryl Cagle: Very good horse mouth. Thanks. Now I thought this was just a beautiful cartoon. the Trump bull in a China shop. Dave Whamond: [00:02:00] Yeah. This was really fun to draw. Like I, you know, you live for cartoons like this. I just, I didn't want it to end once I was finished, so it just, all fell into place. So Adam Zyglis: That's great perspective too. Daryl Cagle: Thank you. Well, congratulations on that one. I thought this was also a wonderful cartoon and, you made it just so much nicer with the, the shadow behind it, which, you could have gotten away without, but it mm-hmm. It makes it so much nicer. Dave Whamond: Well, thank, I kind of wanted to have a feeling of, of doom, uh, with this one. And I just had the vignette before and it was, it was fine, but it wasn't quite making it so as soon as I popped in the shadow, which is nice about when you're doing it digitally, you can try different things and you don't end up ruining the artwork. So, so, so Dave, Daryl Cagle: I should say that you come to us from Calgary, Canada. Mm-hmm. You are incredibly prolific. You draw two comics, Reality Check and Day by Dave. And you're also a prolific illustrator. You do puzzles, greeting cards, and lots of top-selling children's books. And, we have syndicated you for the past seven years. Dave Whamond: Has it been seven years? Man, it went play fast. Daryl Cagle: It does. Dave Whamond: I I'm having [00:03:00] fun. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. I like, I like keeping busy so. Daryl Cagle: You certainly do that. This is a hilarious cartoon. Oh, thanks. Yeah, this was, again, quite fun. I, I guess, uh, the bigger and the crazier the caricature, the more fun it is. So, and, and, uh, putting lipstick on the pig is what they do just every day on Fox, especially this Greg Gutfeld who's supposed to be their comedian, but there's nothing funny about Fox. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Yeah. I can't remember what he had said there. Um, this was, I don't know how many years ago. Well, it doesn't matter what he said, because it's just Daryl Cagle: what he does every day. Yeah, Dave Whamond: yeah. No, it's, uh, even, even Fox is, is, uh, sometimes, uh, challenging Trump now, which is surprising. So. Daryl Cagle: Well, I think that's wonderful and, I like what you've done with Trump's complexion. I think cartoonists don't do a whole lot with complexions, and we really should, you know, that's a, that's a great area for expression. Adam Zyglis: Well, you have, you know, no color around the eyes, which I've, I've noticed some things that, in this one particular that I, I also tend to do like the real rosy cheeks. I don't actually use a lot of orange and then the lack of color, or I do like a. More of a [00:04:00] violent pink, pinkish hue. Okay. On the eyes, because he doesn't, he just, he forgets to put the, the makeup, you know, he can't put a up his eyes. Dave Whamond: I, I always think that looks so strange. It's like a beacon coming from his eyes, you know, that's like the light and gray white eyes. Yeah. So, Daryl Cagle: well, you know, very often he leaves his ears out. The ears are pink and they've got a little bit around them. Right. And you can see the, the edges down the neck. And then I notice on some days it's like he had somebody do his makeup. And all of those places that I'm used to seeing missed are, Adam Zyglis: are covered. Daryl Cagle: They've gotten him, I've, I've also seen him miss. The top of his forehead, right under his, hair. It's pink along there. But I think thinking that his hair will cover that up, but then when he has the makeup person do it, there's nothing missed. And he also gets the white, around the eyes, the makeup person. Dave Whamond: There's that famous photo where it's windy in, his hair is blowing back, and it's, it's just hilarious. That, that makes me laugh every time I see it. So Adam Zyglis: Dave, do you color in Photoshop with different layers or how do you color it? Dave Whamond: Um, well, I used to do straight ahead traditional watercolor, [00:05:00] but then I found a program that kind of mimics it called Painter. So I find, um, it, it's a lot faster. So, and you can play around with it a lot more. So, but I still prefer the, the watercolor. How about you, Adam? I think you do use traditional right? Watercolor. Adam Zyglis: I, well, I would love to do. Watercolor and I, I, it's like I have at one point, but not on a daily basis. Right. I actually used to use Painter and then, the last two years or so, I've been using Procreate. Dave Whamond: Oh, okay. Yeah. I've heard good things about that too. So, yeah, Adam Zyglis: I, my big advantage or my, what I like about it the most is that I can, I'm drawing right on the image mm-hmm. On the iPad, you know, with, I had a big tablet. For painter and Painter is great. You can create all kinds of textures and you know, mm-hmm. Painting purposes. But, but, but having that disconnect of drawing on the tablet and looking at the screen, I just love to be able to draw. I think Steve Sack turned me on to Procreate, and it's, uh, I've loved it ever since. Oh, okay. Dave Whamond: Cool. Yeah. I'm gonna try that one. So for sure. You can't tell the difference though. I, I would as would've assumed You did straight watercolor, so, looks great. I, I, Adam Zyglis: that's great to hear. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: We will look at Adam's cartoons in just a second. So, uh, Dave, here he is as, uh, [00:06:00] as a skunk. Bill Day: Pepe le Pew. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Yeah, this, um, this was back when he was first saying, uh, you know, we're gonna make Canada the 51st state, and he wouldn't kind of take no for an answer. So I thought this, this kind of summed it up perfectly, and I was sort of going back and looking at all the old Pepe le Pew cartoons just to, you know, get the quotes right in that I thought it's amazing that that actually was allowed to run, you know, back then things have changed quite a bit. The, what they could do in cartoons back then, those are wonderful cartoons. It's like sexual harassment kids, right? Daryl Cagle: So, Adam, Adam, we're up to you now. And this is not watercolor, huh? This is, uh, Procreate? Procreate, yeah. Um, it's just more of a, I think because I love the more muted, uh, color palette, but they, yeah. In Procreate you can, customize some of the textures, the paper textures and the brushes. So. I've played around with it over the, the first year I tried it. And, um, I, I've gotten pretty happy with it and I'll, I'll be very like, kind of liberal with it and quick and just throw it in big blotches and then I'll kind of come [00:07:00] back and erase. I'll go, I kind of do it in reverse. but yeah, my, my Trump complexion, I usually have like two or three layers with, you know, four or five colors with his skin. it just, it's fun to layer, you know, and then I you know, I try to give a little white space by his hairline there, if you see like, where you miss some makeup every once in a while. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I think the key is I, I tend to overdo, so I'm, my constant goal is to stop and weave some white space. like you can see the scales. Like I just start going and I like to draw detail, so, um, I gotta force myself. That's why backgrounds are no, no good for me. I'd rather just keep it to like a vignette or knock out, um, and then use some watercolor. Daryl Cagle: That's a great looking cartoon. That works. Thanks. And here he is as, uh, the sow. Oh yeah. This, Adam Zyglis: uh, more of a pink hue for the complexion. This one, this one was taken down a couple times on Facebook. Oh, really? Because it was on, it was, you know, it was drawn after the insurrection. And, um, I th my guess is that's, you know, they were really pushing back on. some of these phrases and imagery. So then it could be the noose or, or the phrase stop the [00:08:00] steal. Um, I'm not sure, like could have been AI grabbing this stuff, but, or I have, you know, a healthy following of haters and people that just report me too. So it, I think Daryl Cagle: that's what happened. I think they get a report, they just, Adam Zyglis: yeah. I challenged it and it did, it did get restored, but then it went down again. Daryl Cagle: I've got four Facebook pages and I have things taken down occasionally, but it's always on only one page because I think the people, they looked at one page and the one guy complained. Adam Zyglis: It's good to have backups though. Daryl Cagle: Uh, here you've got the doggy Trump chewing up the constitution. That's very nice. Adam Zyglis: Yeah, he's got jowls, you know, works with a, with a, with a pig and works with a bulldog. So it's, it was a natural fit. Um, I. And I have, I have, I've had French bulldogs as pets, so I'm always a fond of the Bulldog. Dave Whamond: Yeah, that's a fantastic drawing. Love that one, Daryl Cagle: wonderful drawing. So Adam, you draw for the Buffalo News at New York. You've won the Pulitzer Prize at a ton of other prizes and we have syndicated you for the past 18 years, Adam Zyglis: . That's just depressing thinking about that, how much time just doesn't [00:09:00] mean anything right now. No, but that's, it's been an honor and it's been, it's been awesome. Um, it's been a great ride. Um, you know, 18 years is a hell of a long time. It is. I don't feel that, it doesn't feel like 18 years to me. I was gonna say eight. You added a decade. Daryl Cagle: Well, your drawings still look young. Adam Zyglis: Thank you. Daryl Cagle: the Gremlins, Adam Zyglis: but I've, I'm a child of the eighties, so, anytime I can reference a, a movie or, you know, film or a song that no one knows, but eighties kids, I'm all for it. But, you know, I mean, now that I'm a dad, I've made sure my, my, you know, my eight and my 11-year-old saw Gremlins one and two loved them. So it just, it's too hard to, Daryl Cagle: it's important to give your kids the good cultural upbringing. You know, it. Daryl Cagle: And here's a very nice King Kong Trump. Adam Zyglis: So this is an old Trump. I mean, this is, this is one of my early Trumps. You could just tell, I think. And yeah, this was on his, I. 2016 campaign, so. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It was one of the, probably the first five times I've drawn 'em. So, um, but yeah, the, the orange orangutan look was, uh, you know, I wanted a King Kong, but I thought, you [00:10:00] know, maybe not a gorilla, maybe an orangutan. So it kind of tried to blend the two. There's a lot of little details in this one, but it's always fun to figure out how much, like David said, how much of the animal you put in, how much of his caricature. Mm-hmm. And then you, it's a process and you, you know, you kind of erase and try again. You throw some stuff at the wall, see what sticks. Daryl Cagle: Orangutan seems natural because it's orange. Right. But I can't recall other artists drawing him as an orangutan. Uh, right. The drum is a, a, a gorilla or a chimp. Right. Dave Whamond: I think Bill, Bill Maher got sued for, uh. depicting, uh, wasn't it is was either his dad and mom were, orangutans or something. Adam Zyglis: Oh, no way. Dave Whamond: Do you guys remember that? Yes. Daryl Cagle: What, what, why, who sued him? An orangutan. Dave Whamond: Uh, Trump. Trump, yeah. The Daryl Cagle: orangutans sued him for being portray as Trump. Right? Adam Zyglis: That would, that would be more fitting. Daryl Cagle: So, Bill, we're up to you here. You've got the Trump virus, and the Trump virus is bigotry and a mosquito. Bill Day: Okay? Yeah. He, he, he spreads the, the disease quite quick, quickly, and freely. I. So I just, Daryl Cagle: this is, this is a very [00:11:00] nice one. It's the octopus and he's, uh, holding eight cats. So what was going on here when, Bill Day: when, well it was, you know, grabbing by the pussy, you know, that's that sort of thing. Daryl Cagle: Oh yeah. I always try to get cartoonists, not to put dates on their cartoons, but sometimes if it has a date, I would understand it better. Bill Day: Right. Adam Zyglis: Got a good hair geometry game with your Trump. Very, very, you know, you got all the different, you can build it in three dimensions, I feel. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Daryl Cagle: Here you have, growling doggy trump passing the baton. Yeah. Bill Day: Is pretty much the bulldog Look again here. It's very accurate. Daryl Cagle: Well, Bill, you come to us from Florida. You've worked for many years as the cartoonist for the Memphis Commercial Appeal and the Detroit Free Press, and we have syndicated you for the past 14 years. Bill Day: Wow. Okay. Well, thank you Daryl. I'm glad somebody still wants me. Daryl Cagle: All right here. You have a lovely snake, Florida's invasive species. Yeah. He swallowed the whole thing. Uh, you could [00:12:00] certainly check out what he had for dinner. Bill Day: Right. Well, in Florida we have a real problem with, with, uh, pythons. So it went well with Florida. Florida stuff. Mm-hmm. You know, they, they have a, a hunt down on the Everglades for, for pythons all the time. Daryl Cagle: This is a lovely one. Oh yeah. Bill Day: Yep. Gotta go for the gold. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. The gold's good. The cash symbols and the S's. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Yep. See, I would, I would've avoided that one. Just be for doing, having to draw that type in in perfectly stars. Yeah. And the stars too. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. Bill Day: Well it was fun Dave Whamond: to Daryl Cagle: draw. Dave Whamond: Oh, he did a good job. Daryl Cagle: here, I guess he was gonna have a debate with DeSantis and uh, the fish is funny. This is an angler fish. Yeah, Bill Day: that's who he is. The angler. Dave Whamond: That's a great idea too. That was during the debates, I'm assuming, but it's nice, nice pun too. So. Daryl Cagle: Very good. Did all of you guys see that it was an angler fish? Adam Zyglis: I always know that, 'cause I've drawn Trump as an angler fish, so I'm not a, you know, I don't, I don't know that much. Bill Day: He, he, he definitely draws people in with his lies. Daryl Cagle: You guys really are the animal [00:13:00] experts. So here's what I did with, uh, Trump and Putin and he does seem to be Putin's doggie and this was what he was facing off with Mexico, one of the times that he was facing off with Mexico. I love the Mexican eagle. Yeah, the Mexican eagle just has so much fun stuff going on around it. Adam Zyglis: Totally. Yeah. The hair, that's all you need is the hair there, you know, Dave Whamond: nice drawing too with the, the way they're just the whole, uh, uh, vignettes night a nice, uh, feel to it. So composition's great. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, thank Daryl Cagle: you. Yeah, and I did this on the, on the first term debate with, with Biden when Biden was doing a little bit better. And uh, it's just fun to draw him as a big dinosaur. I like the Adam Zyglis: no nose. Yeah. Yeah. The decision to leave the nose out. Daryl Cagle: Dinosaurs don't really have noses. No, I mean, you could, again, when you're combining him, you could add a nose, but that would be his, not the dinosaurs. Mm-hmm. But no nose is all the rage that Big City Green. My kids love that show. It's Simpsons Without Noses. I don't know if you've seen that. Oh, yeah, Dave Whamond: yeah, yeah. I haven't seen that one. Adam Zyglis: It's, it's like a Simpsons with no noses Bill Day: This is one of [00:14:00] my favorites, Daryl, I love that he's peeing all over the planet. All over the, Daryl Cagle: you know, I, this was an old cartoon and I had to update it because I didn't have any puddles on Canada or Greenland. Dave Whamond: Yeah, he's got it all covered now, I think. Adam Zyglis: So he does back Daryl. You gotta keep adding, adding puddles over time. Daryl Cagle: So here's a dinosaur Trump where uh, he does have a nose I think a dinosaur can sport a nose pretty well. I like how he's been accidentally hitting his tail. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. Yeah. That's great detail. I love Boligan's work. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Yeah. Really nice drawing. Daryl Cagle: This is Angel Boligan from, uh, Mexico City. I. Yeah. And another one from Angel here, here he is as King Kong and he doesn't even need to be an ape. Dave Whamond: Yeah, no, I, I think it's better that way with, with the suit and everything, so, Adam Zyglis: yeah. Daryl Cagle: And this one comes from Cam Cardow also up in Canada. Adam Zyglis: Great hair, like the, the detail and all the mm-hmm. The fur. Daryl Cagle: Yeah. Doesn't it just make you wanna shave it? Dave Whamond: Yeah. That's a lot of, a lot of detail. Daryl Cagle: Or [00:15:00] here's this one's from Christo Komarnitsky in Bulgaria, and, I think that's very nice, the bombs and the dove and it Great. His expression from Adam Zyglis: the children's book quality. Yeah, yeah, Daryl Cagle: yeah. I like the way he draws Putin because Putin , has changed from looking like a bond villain to looking like this, inflated little. Plump round headed thing. Adam Zyglis: Big cheeks. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: We have to change with that. And I think, a lot of cartoonists struggle with their Putin's. Adam Zyglis: Pretty tricky. Daryl Cagle: Here's another Trump eating, an elephant, and he is an elephant eating an elephant. I just hear the slurp sound. I guess eating the elephant is the gag. It doesn't really matter what kind of animal he is. I Dave Whamond: like the tail, the tail with the hair in the back. yeah. Daryl Cagle: You know, it just goes underneath that blanket. And, here he is as the, dog with the cone. I can't think of what was happening here. He must have been restrained about saying probably Adam Zyglis: his first term. Yeah. I'm guessing his first term Daryl Cagle: he's gotten rid, he's gotten rid of the restraint now. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. Daryl Cagle: Yeah. And here he is with Putin. Oh, that's great. Um, if Putin didn't have the blood on his hand, I think [00:16:00] this would've gotten reprinted. Hmm. I like the blood, but Yeah, I, I see what you're saying. Daryl Cagle: We all love blood. You know, cartoonists love blood, but we just, yeah, it just kills our cartoons. Adam Zyglis: Editors don't, don't like blood, that's for sure. Daryl Cagle: Does your editor talk to you about not liking blood? Adam Zyglis: my previous editor, yes. Uh, had, had specifically not like blood. Yeah. I was too gory, icky, um, like, you know, in terms of war. So I would get away with as much as I could. I, it's not like I wanted to throw tons of gore in cartoons, but if it's a, if it's about you know, a brutal, war scene, if that's just called for, or, or a sim, you know, if you're sim using for symbolism, then yeah. Daryl Cagle: editors also don't like peeing. Bill, I remember when you left your last job and you talked about how, you could never draw any pee in anything, and then for like a few months you were drawing peeing on everything. You were, you were freed from your, your, uh, your peeing prison. It was unleashed. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. How was it in Canada or the taste different in terms of the readers or the editors With that kind of thing? With like potty humor or with, with blood or war? Uh, Dave Whamond: yeah. It's [00:17:00] hard to say. Like, um, the editorial cartoons, there's not a ton of papers that run editorial cartoons as much anymore, but, uh, I think we're probably less offended by that. I would go Yeah. Adam Zyglis: Or like aligned with like, like a British kind. Dave Whamond: Like the British Yeah. Sort of. Yeah. Yeah. But I think you were saying Daryl too, that, uh, almost any bodily fluids are, are, aren't good at cartoons like snot or even drool. I think you were saying that they Daryl Cagle: cartoonists just, just love bodily fluids. We love all of 'em. Adam Zyglis: Right. I, when you asked about my editor, there was a cartoon with, uncle Sam that had the alien, coming out of his chest or stomach and how do you draw that without drawing some kind of fluids, you know? Yeah. I mean, you just can't get around it. Daryl Cagle: Did they complain about that? Adam Zyglis: No, I just, I just knew I, I had to be a little minimal about it and, and it was fine. I think every once in a great while it was my previous editor, she would just remind me that, you know, she didn't kill a cartoon ever because of it, but she just didn't wanna see a ton of it. Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: Well, this is, uh, this is another lovely one from Christo. Trump is a walrus and I love the complexion on him, on his butt. I [00:18:00] think cartoonists should just take more liberty with complexions. Dave Whamond: You're gonna get a lot of complexion cartoons this week, Daryl. Adam Zyglis: We thinking about those colors in his front, but not everywhere else. Daryl Cagle: I'll bet the, the editors don't like complexions as well, but, we've never gotten a specific complaint about a complexion. Dave Whamond: I think if you're doing it, a politician is an animal, then there's more reason to have the complexion. But if it's just them doing a day-to-day thing, I think people would wonder, why, why does he have all these, aging marks on his face or whatever, you know, so that could be part of it. Daryl Cagle: Pustules. I like pustules. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Pustules. That, that's the word I was looking for. Daryl Cagle: Another good bodily fluid that we don't take enough advantage of. and here's a lovely Pat Bagley, Trump pig. Adam Zyglis: Great. Yeah. The hair, the ears is the hair. That's really good. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: Here he is as Jabba the hut. I think job of the hut is an animal. Imaginary a creature. Adam Zyglis: I don't know. Mm-hmm. It qualifies. Daryl Cagle: Good. Good looking, good looking Jabba the hut. Trump, Dave Whamond: when I [00:19:00] first started out at cartooning for you, Daryl, I did a Jabba the hut with, uh, Trump, and I thought, that's just going too far. I can't, I better not send that in. And now you see it. There it is. Yeah. Tons of people have done it, so, yeah. Daryl Cagle: You know, people, people love the Star Wars metaphors, I noticed. Yeah. I noticed those, uh, getting used, uh, more than others. They love it. They love, they love any kind of movie metaphor, but, uh, star Wars, oh, their heart is there. Uh, here's a Trump chicken crossing the road, from, John Darkow. that's a lovely Trump chicken crossing the road. It's, it's, it, it's got style. It's funky. Dave Whamond: Mm-hmm. Yeah. John Darko is really good with the layouts. Like the, just how he positioned the chicken there and everything. It's um, like Right. You can tell he really understands composition Adam Zyglis: camera right on the road, you know? Dave Whamond: Yeah. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: Is that Missouri? it's the chicken, the Shape of Missouri. Dave Whamond: Oh. Maybe I was wondering what, what the shape was. Yeah, yeah. Adam Zyglis: It looked intentional. I mean, that would make sense. Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: All right. Here, here is a nice big Darkow, uh, orange Trump, [00:20:00] Godzilla. I think he's looking great. Adam Zyglis: Mm-hmm. Vicious set of teeth there. Wow. Dave Whamond: and I think he uses mostly, uh, pencil crayons Right. To do his, uh, rendering. So that, that you're going Yeah, he, Daryl Cagle: he's, he's drawing in colored pencils on textured paper. There are no computer for him. Dave Whamond: My hand. Yeah. That's cool. You're gonna be using The Sharper a lot for that one. 'cause he's, how many pencils did he go through there? So, Daryl Cagle: well, you know, I think there's something charming about just doing it in colored pencil. Dave Whamond: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And nobody else is doing it. No, it's true. Daryl Cagle: another lovely colored pencil, Trump dinosaur, T-Rex this time I guess, is that. Hmm. Maybe it's, uh, velociraptor. Cold-blooded crime family. Well, that's great. The orange made that one wonderful. So here he is as, an elephant on the lawn of democracy. The lady in the house says, why do we get the same wide elephant gift every year? Adam Zyglis: That's funny. It's an interesting color choice. How we kind of, we the elephant, I mean, white elephant, but, but just the pink sky like that. Mm-hmm. I feel like there's choices that I wouldn't have made, and I like it because of that, you know? Daryl Cagle: Yeah. You know those pencils that [00:21:00] have every color in them and, you kind of have to twist it to get a different color. That's what he did in the sky here. He's got the every color pencil. oh. Okay. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Huh. It's funky. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you mean. Adam. I probably would've filled the back run with dark color or something to pop the right open off, but I, I, I agree with you. I like what he did there, so. Daryl Cagle: The leopards eating people's faces. Party would never eat my face, would they? That's funny. Blood. Yeah, the blood, Dave Whamond: she's, oh yeah. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: so here is Dario Castillejos from Oaxaca, Mexico, who's been with us for about 14 years. And, this is lovely. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. I love it. Daryl Cagle: You don't have to just have a head where somebody's head is. You can have three quarters of him. Dave Whamond: I notice most of his cartoons rarely have any wording on it. Just the, the image tells a story. So, and really kind of bold graphic images too. Very, very nicely done. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: And, this one comes from Hajo de Reijger in the Netherlands. I think he's just got a [00:22:00] very, very disrespectfulness Trump and the disrespectful makes me laugh. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. just the bagginess around his face. Trump would hate it. Yeah. That's the measure. You know, you can tell he would hate it by looking at it. It's a nice juicy worm too. Yeah. Dumbo, you got a lot of references in there. It's nice. Daryl Cagle: Yeah. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: He's about to gobble up his little MAGA supporter. Adam Zyglis: Yeah, that's great. Bill Day: Feeding him worms. Yeah. A steady diet. Adam Zyglis: It's a great cartoon. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: And, here's another one from Hajo. He's got, uh, big orange sea creature Trump, , he needs a bigger boat. what kind of creature is this? He's got particles on him. a, an orange whale, Adam Zyglis: giant sea slug. I don't know. Dave Whamond: I see some kind of sea monster or something, but yeah. Whatever it is. I like it. Right. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: We don't, we don't need to know what it does Adam Zyglis: on the surface. Maybe there's some tentacles. Maybe it's not a giant squid. We to Yeah. Daryl Cagle: I love, I love the gray, barnacles and eyes. The eyes. Dave Whamond: Yeah. His eyes aren't naturally, we were talking about them being white, but they're almost kind of a gray, like you can kind of see what his actual skin color is. Didn't have the Adam Zyglis: Right, it's like a whack of [00:23:00] pigment. It's, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Daryl Cagle: This one comes to us from Kap in Barcelona and it's all about the poop. Adam Zyglis: That's nice too. Dave Whamond: I think that's another one you can't do, right? The poop. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. Daryl Cagle: I don't know. I, I think, I think an editor might look at this and just see the chicken maybe. Yeah. Adam Zyglis: Do you guys do poop cartoon? I mean, can you get away with poop cartoons? Bill Day: They Daryl Cagle: don't like, they don't like poop. Well, Bill Day: uh, Daryl, are, are Europeans allowed a little more leeway and something like this than American? Daryl Cagle: Oh, a lot more leeway. I mean, I'm jealous of the Europeans I had. It's not, we think about the French and the British doing crazy stuff, but they all do the, the, all the ones in Holland, we've got more cartoonists from Holland than any other country except United States and they draw all kinds of stuff we can't get away with. Bill Day: I had a friend from Holland who always encouraged me to, to draw, birds the finger all the time. Oh. She said it goes well in Holland. Daryl Cagle: Oh, flipping the bird. Yeah. Yeah. They like that in Holland? Adam Zyglis: My editors would not like that. I got one, I got [00:24:00] one cartoon that's like that. It was a, it was an oil rig, um, offshore, and it was like a middle finger, but it was subtle enough where it wasn't that bad. I guess. It wasn't somebody's head. It was the hand of big oil. Dave Whamond: Oh, okay. I back to the poop thing too. I think I've gotten away with drawing the poop emoji, but if it's anything else other than that, then, then it's usually a no-no. Adam Zyglis: I actually had Trump as poop with the golden, the golden most. I got away with, um, the Wall Street Golden Bull and Oh yeah. Was like curly hair was almost like, oh, the, Dave Whamond: that's perfect. Yeah. Adam Zyglis: Just his face. It was almost emoji like where it was, you know, you know, that kind of soft serve kind of, you know. Dave Whamond: Mm-hmm. The swirl on top. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: Here's a, here's a classic Steve Sack. Wonderful Trump bird. Wonderful Trump lie. Wonderful baby birds. Dave Whamond: Yeah. I love Steve Sack stuff. It's uh Daryl Cagle: oh Dave Whamond: yeah. Fantastic. Wonderful. Daryl Cagle: Liz Chaney. Adam Zyglis: Great expressions. Daryl Cagle: Oh, that's great. Here's another nice looking Trump presidential seal. [00:25:00] Throw 'em out. Bill Day: Brass knuckles, Daryl Cagle: little bit of blood. Oh yeah, yeah. Get away with that. And here he is as a big fat kitty. Uh, eating the Hillary email scandal. Catnip, this is an oldie, but it's just so nice. yeah, it's great. Great vibrant colors. Daryl Cagle: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And the catnip, he's bitten through the bags. I mean, that's all wonderful. It was a drug to him. And this is lovely. He's just a little hint of pig. This is excellent. Like just the way he modeled his skin, like under his ear, like that. Mm-hmm. So good. Dave Whamond: I like the choice of cutting the face off as well, so the, you know. Yep. Daryl Cagle: Yeah. Dave Whamond: Makes it stronger. Totally. I Daryl Cagle: should say I have 135. Trump has an animal cartoons here, which is a lot, you know, a good, a good chunk of them are your cartoons 'cause you did so many. but, there are a lot of Trump as an and animal cartoons. This is the 135 best. I mean, if I'd included not quite the best, we'd have had a huge number. This is a nice looking cartoon from Taylor Jones. And, [00:26:00] Taylor Jones is a, naturalist and he loves drawing birds. And, this is just great. Dave Whamond: Yeah. You can tell he has a knowledge of the type of birds and everything, which, uh, most people just sort of cartoonized them, but he's, he went all out in that one. Daryl Cagle: There is a, a lot of, uh, Trump eating elephants. I, I like it when Taylor, gives just a sketch and doesn't, doesn't go through to, make it as tight as he usually does. Oh, it's a very nice, he's wonderful about sketches. Dave Whamond: I think sometimes sketches are stronger than the, the finished art. You know, like you, something, you draw on your sketchbook and you look at it and you can't quite capture it When it's, uh, you, you tighten it up. So Adam Zyglis: it's a looser, yeah. Daryl Cagle: Yeah. Yep. This is a, a beautiful trump pig. Dave Whamond: Very nice. Daryl Cagle: And another gorgeous trump pig. This was when he just won Iowa Adam Zyglis: Great pig slash trump eyes. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: And the mud is fun. Here's one I did years ago, back when Trump was doing Twitter. Oh yeah. I missed that Twitter bird. Daryl Cagle: You know, the Twitter bird was wonderful. Mm-hmm. Adam Zyglis: So much better to draw than this X. Dave Whamond: Yeah, I know, I know. I mean, I've had a little bit of fun with the X, but yeah. Yeah. I like the combination of the flat, you know, two dimensional and the [00:27:00] modeled. Mm-hmm. Fun characters and gross puke in this. It's nice. Daryl Cagle: Editors don't like puke. Adam Zyglis: Makes it, it makes it, makes it interesting. I mean, I don't know. I always like. Would that remember Ren and Stimpy and you know, when they would Yeah. Mm-hmm. Those disgusting bits. Like that was like, you know, that was my creativity, my childhood. Like, you know, it's inspiring me, I knew I was gonna draw gross details when I grew up watching it. Yeah. it's funny 'cause uh, the stuff you see on TV, it's allowable, but it seems like newspapers were back in time where things aren't allowed as much. Like, you, you can't get away with it as much in the newspaper as about 30 culture everywhere, Dave Whamond: you know? Daryl Cagle: So about 30 years ago I did a comic strip in Britain and, uh, it ran in their national TV guide called TV Times. And, I would do things once in a while, like I would have somebody throw up in a cartoon and boy did I hear back in no certain uncertain terms that that was very disgusting and we just could not have that, And I would make all kinds of other cultural mistakes. I had a depressed wife sitting eating out of a can of ice cream. We don't have cans of ice [00:28:00] cream. It was hard. I could see why our, our foreign cartoonists, uh, have a little bit of trouble crossing the border over to us. Bill Day: Well, Daryl, I think sometimes you just have to draw a cartoon whether you know it's gonna run or not, just 'cause you have to do it. Adam Zyglis: Mm-hmm. This is true. Daryl Cagle: So, Adam, we've got a few more from you here. You've got shark Trump, Dave Whamond: man, that's beautiful. Daryl Cagle: It is nice. Yeah. Adam Zyglis: All the, you know, just the little, little details of the, of decomposed birther leftovers. It's always the most fun to draw little details like that. Daryl Cagle: I like how your colors are so light and Yeah. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. Daryl Cagle: I'm sure this heavys up when it's printed and it just looks very nice. Thank you. Uh mm-hmm. Yeah, because if you'd done it heavier, it would be a little harder to know what it would look like. But this is gonna print very nicely. Adam Zyglis: This is, well this is 2020 and you could, there's a few in here, I think, coming up, even when I just started adding color and it was all heavy and I wouldn't, I wasn't printing in color. And that's part of why, why it was heavy. It was just for online. And, I wasn't using a Mac too. So like the co the screen differences. And over the years, especially since printing in color, I've gotten whiter and whiter and whiter and [00:29:00] wanted the lines to just carry it through. But there's about eight months of my work that I kind of cringe at when I first started adding color. 'cause it was, at the time I was just playing with it and experimenting and it was, it was too heavy. I think there's one or two of them in here. But Dave Whamond: yeah, I know with watercolor, I find when you work digitally, it's backlit, so you have to account for that. 'cause once it's printed, sometimes it gets, looks saturated and too dark. So I, I have to always remind myself of that. Daryl Cagle: Well, here you have Trump as a wasp, um, spreading the, the covid in the rose garden. That's really very nice. Mm-hmm. I like drawing little Trump heads, you know, like where you, it forces you to simplify your, your trump, your caricature mm-hmm. Into just a couple of key features. But I sit, and I always, and one thing I do, I think different than others is like, he's got sometimes these heavy rosy cheekbones and I tend to go heavy on those. Um, but there's times where I'm just like, he must, I don't know, put some extra blush on there. Um, it just catches, catches the shadow. Right. Yeah. Dave Whamond: Wonder how long he spends getting ready in the morning, you know, he's gotta get the hair and then the spray tan and, oh my gosh. Well, I think it's, Daryl Cagle: I think [00:30:00] it's very obvious when he has somebody else doing his makeup. Yeah. Yeah. It's very interesting. There's Twitter bird could have pops bright or blue in the Twitter bird here, but you know, I, I like the, I like muted colors. It's kind of fond of it. I, Daryl Cagle: I think they're very nice. Bill Day: Yeah, that looks good. It disappears. Daryl Cagle: I do miss that Twitter bird. You know, that was a very, strong trademark character and I think the. The company lost a lot of value when he made it X. Mm-hmm. Adam Zyglis: A hundred percent. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: Oh yeah. We've all done Energizer Bunnies. Mm-hmm. Um, but, but you know, people love it every time you do. Adam Zyglis: It's, yeah. It's one of those cultural references that it just touches so many people in terms of, you instantly remember, all those commercials and just, it's just fun. You know, anytime you can kind of cross into a different world with your, with your work, it's, uh, adds a fun element to it. I miss, I like these white, the cartoons with the white space too. I'm looking at my work like I gotta weave more white. Daryl Cagle: Here's the Gadsden flag. Trump snake. Adam Zyglis: Oh yeah. I fed. Daryl Cagle: They never did end up fleeing from him. They did not. M aybe this was just an optimistic cartoon. We kind of hoped they would. Adam Zyglis: I feel like every couple years it [00:31:00] feels like, you know, throughout each of his terms, you just, there's like moments where you're like, this is it. You're, and you hear reports of, cracks in the GOP. Like they won't describe their name to it, but you, you think, when is gonna, when is it gonna be the straw that'll break the camel's back, but, mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: Well, that seems like what, CNN and M-S-N-B-C are on talking about all the time. Is this one gonna get the Republicans finally to do something? Are they gonna stand up for this and they don't? Dave Whamond: Well, I think if January 6th, if he made it through that, who knows what it's, it would take now. So, you know, they seem to be fully in his pocket. Daryl Cagle: Tortoise and the hare. Oh yeah. Optimism . I, I like that the head comprises most of his body. He's like, he's head with, with limbs. Yeah. He just kind of like a ball there. Ball of ball flesh. Daryl Cagle: I think it's funny that Trump is nothing but a head and wheels of justice has no head. Right. So Adam, tell us about, uh, Donald Ducks. Yeah. This was, he's stuck in the debate Okay. In the debates. And then I, I, you know, Chris Christie stole, stole this from me. I, this was out there for days. And then Chris [00:32:00] Christie thought it would be great to call him Donald Ducks. So I, I, I think, I'm sure several cartoonists were thinking the same thing and had something similar, but, um, it's almost like this one, you know, how could you not have him as a duck, I mean, with his nail like that this was, so, I'm, I'm struggling with color on and off, and sometimes it's too heavy because this is, when it started, we started printing in color, the Buffalo news we never did for years. That was just for online. And this is when I started pulling back on the heaviness. Daryl Cagle: Yeah. So here you have, uh, Trump, uh, eating his own GOP tail, as other candidates throw their hats into the ring speaker hats into the ring. Adam Zyglis: See, I kind of picture this, like, if it's animated, it would just get smaller and smaller ring. Yeah, true. Daryl Cagle: So here is rubber ducky Trump. Uh, gonna be a bloodbath. He's in a MAGA hat full of blood. How did this one go over? Adam Zyglis: Well, this, this was when my editor started talking to me about light up on the blood, actually. Mm-hmm. Um, but I'm like, it's in the concept and they're like, [00:33:00] okay, but just keep it in mind that I don't like a lot of blood. And I mean, this was defendable because the, it was specifically talking about him talking about a blood bath. Mm-hmm. So, But, but I did get a, tap on the shoulder about it. but yeah, I mean, I, I don't know. I think it could have been. It could have been way bloodier. You could have put it splatters all over the place. Could always, my thing is it could always be worse. Daryl Cagle: It looks like it could have come from a, a foreign cartoonist, you know, they love pools of blood. I just like, and this is, this is a, lovely man-eating to plant Trump. It's not an animal, Adam Zyglis: but maybe it is. Yeah. It's, you know, like, again, with the eighties, I love the Little Shop of Horrors and mm-hmm. It's kind of loosely Daryl Cagle: Audrey Two. Adam Zyglis: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And a lot of little fun details in there. That's, it's always fun when you can hide a, you know, fun little, you know, secondary messaging and Yeah. I always worry that they look too muddy when they print. That's, I mean, I love the muted earth tones, and I'll put in like purples and other colors in the, um, the shadows and whatnot, but at times it gets a little dark and print. But I, I like how it comes out. You know, most of my work is probably viewed on social media and on online [00:34:00] anyway. Yeah. Dave Whamond: That has a real, children's book quality to it as well. with the, obviously the Little Shop of Horrors, but just the whole feel of it, like the, the, especially in this face, you know, it's got Daryl Cagle: Another problem we have is that editors don't want to print KKK hats. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. Dave Whamond: Mm. I would imagine Daryl Cagle: you've some comments on it. Adam Zyglis: I'm sorry, my editors are fine with KK, k hats, but I do get, I do get comments. Daryl Cagle: Here's from Aaron Van Dam in the Netherlands. It's a fun style. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Put Trump on an animal and it looks like he used a photo of Trump's actual hair. I was wondering his hair. Yeah. Adam Zyglis: Like wrote a stroke, like a photo of him, of his face and kind of wrote his, yeah. Oh, that could be what it was like around it. Yeah. Yeah. The, his mugshot. Mm-hmm. Which is, you know, it's funny, after the mugshot is you could see it being incorporated more into his caricature, which before was the open mouth Trump. Daryl Cagle: The round the fish lips. Right. Yeah. We're not seeing that as much anymore. That's, the Trump Trojan horse. That's fun. Putin directing the troops. That's a good one. Daryl Cagle: Trump is starting to get a little less, Putin supportive. I think that's encouraging. Dave Whamond: Yeah. [00:35:00] Especially what's going on now. Putin's not showing up to, uh, in Turkey to, for the Peace talks, so he's starting to get up a little upset with them. Daryl Cagle: This one's from Bart Van Lewin. You know, Bart uses a lot of, uh, AI in his cartoons. Yeah. He says he does the faces himself, but, he does the rest of his cartoons in ai. And I wonder if that, now that the cartoonists are getting more alarmed about ai, I wonder if that's gonna be an issue for people. But, his stuff looked just like this before AI came along. Adam Zyglis: Mm-hmm. I mean, I guess in that case it doesn't seem as bad, but it, yeah, it's ethically. it's a conundrum. I have mixed feelings about it. Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: So here's Pat Burnes and chicken. Trump says, no, I can't do a virtual debate. People need to see the real me. That's a nice chicken. Adam Zyglis: It's a fun, yeah, it is chicken. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: And hears all the, here he is leading the, the GOP. That's fun. Dave Whamond: Pat Pat's was, uh, more of a New Yorker cartoonist. So I think he's done a nice job transitioning to the editorial. He still has the nice feel of this previous cartoons with the New Yorker, but he does, adds the caricatures [00:36:00] in and it doesn't look like it's, forced or anything. So Daryl Cagle: the editors love the New Yorkery cartoons. Mm-hmm. Uh, I think the big difference between a New Yorker cartoon and an editorial cartoon is that the New Yorker cartoons are not funny. And they're mild too, you know? They can be. Depends. Depends. Sometimes they're surprisingly not mild. Yeah. That's a great job. Can we get you to say something, bill? Bill Day: Yeah, I, this one right here. I just love the Grinch's face here. That's so beautifully done. Dave Whamond: Oh, thank Bill Day: you. I debated Dave Whamond: whether to make 'em green or orange, but I think people still figured out to use the Grinch. Daryl Cagle: I didn't know if I should call the Grinch an animal. Dave Whamond: Yeah, I think he is Daryl Cagle: very Adam Zyglis: good. It works. We're all animals anyway, you know. Right. True. Daryl Cagle: Oh, this is so lovely. Trump cat. Dave Whamond: Oh, thanks. I actually had more fun with the Bill Barr bulldog thing 'cause he is got the, the jowels, you know, and Oh Daryl Cagle: yeah. Great. That's a great Barr. Dave Whamond: Thanks. Yeah. So he's just Daryl Cagle: taking a nap. It doesn't matter what goes on around him. Dave Whamond: Yeah, I think this is back when Barr just let Trump do whatever he wanted to [00:37:00] do, but hey, that's time on steroids now. Pretty much, you know, so. Daryl Cagle: Well he did that all the way through and he got a conscience when it was too late. Dave Whamond: Yeah, right. Yeah, Daryl Cagle: I'm not gonna give him credit for seeing the light on Trump. Dave Whamond: No. Daryl Cagle: And here's a lovely, uh, Trump worm in McConnell Turtle. Dave Whamond: Yeah, this is like, he, he always refers to that line about, you knew I was a snake when you took me in. And I, I don't think he really knows what the story means, but it's, I find it ironic that he keeps quoting that line. A hundred percent. Daryl Cagle: Your color on him is very nice. Dave Whamond: Oh, thanks, And here you have Daryl Cagle: Trump as Foghorn Leghorn. Dave Whamond: Yeah, of course. We all read that in his voice, don't we? Daryl Cagle: you gonna read it for us in Foghorn Leghorn voice? Dave Whamond: I think you'd do a better job, Daryl. Daryl Cagle: I say, I say Bo, there's no need for me to go to the debate. Why? That's just a waste of time. Pretty good. See? Dave Whamond: Nice. You Daryl Cagle: didn't Dave Whamond: let us down. Daryl Cagle: And, uh, good looking, cowardly lyin'. Dave Whamond: Thank you. I hate drawing braids and hair like that, so I don't know what I was thinking when I came up with that idea, but those are Daryl Cagle: very good braids in hair. Adam Zyglis: Yeah, the curls are nice. Dave Whamond: Oh, thank you. They are, it, [00:38:00] it's, uh, it wasn't fun though for some reason. Like, there's certain things I love drawing and that's, that's not one of them. Bill Day: I think you did a real good job with his hair. Oh, thank you. I, I can understand why you wouldn't enjoy that. You've got all the line work in there and you've got the highlights perfectly. Dave Whamond: Thank you. I cant consider doing one and then just repeating it, you know, so I didn't have to draw the whole thing, but hey, I, I wasn't lazy on this one. So Bill Day: you got it right. Daryl Cagle: Looking good. Dave Whamond: Thank you. Daryl Cagle: Trump as an albatross. Dave Whamond: Yeah. So this, so this one was again, where you can see I've, I've pretty much repeated the one below. Try to make it work with his face. And I think it worked out okay. and then the others, you can see the squad. We have some of them it's hard to see at that size, but, I forget who I ended up putting in there. This is when I switched people. I, at first, I didn't print this right away, and then as time went on, the people changed, so I had to keep going back in and adding different caricatures in there. So had, when the Daryl Cagle: squad changed. Yeah. Like, well Dave Whamond: different people who are causing problems. So, yeah. So I have Tlaib and AOC and I think I, I wasn't specific on this one as to, to who was actually in there. Daryl Cagle: Now Frankenstein [00:39:00] is not an animal. This is, he would be like, Adam Zyglis: yeah, if, if you're calling creatures animals, he could be, I dunno. Well I love the moon behind Biden. That's great. Thanks. It's a nice Biden. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: And Bill, we've got some more from you. Here's okay. Debate Blowfish Trump. Bill Day: Yeah. There's a playoff and a debate. There we go. Daryl Cagle: Lipstick on a pig. He has a pig nose. Bill Day: Yep. There's the pig. Daryl Cagle: Putin riding Elephant orange Trump. Bill Day: Yep. So yeah, I had, I had, a lot of fun drawing this, uh, this orange elephant and with Putin on his back. Daryl Cagle: I remember when that fly was on Mike Pence's head and that was Oh yeah. A wonderful thing. Dave Whamond: That was a gift to cartoonists everywhere. I don't want Daryl Cagle: It was, Adam Zyglis: yeah. We've all got a Pence fly cartoon somewhere. Right? It's great. Daryl Cagle: Here's your lame duck. Good looking lame duck. And your Donald Duck. And you do have your apologies to Disney. Dave Whamond: Yeah, I just noticed that. Adam Zyglis: Oh yeah. There you go. Daryl Cagle: And your elephant turning into Trump, MAGA-Morphosis Bill Day: I try to sometimes do a metamorphosis kind of theme where it [00:40:00] starts off with one and it, it just transitions into another image. So that was what I was trying to do, just trying to draw an elephant look like Trump. Daryl Cagle: So you felt at the beginning there were not MAGA, Bill Day: the key to it was a MAGA-morphosis instead of metamorphosis. Adam Zyglis: Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: So they were not MAGA in the beginning and it took them some time to change. Bill Day: Yeah. Dave Whamond: This is a good example of what we were talking about is like how much nose to add or how much trunk to, to add in the caricature. So you sort of showed all the stages there. It's, yeah. Adam Zyglis: And a great caption too. MAGA-morphosis. Dave Whamond: Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: And, Foghorn Leghorn. Bill Day: Yeah. Here's here, there, here he is. Yeah. Good. I enjoyed doing Vance here too. So. Daryl Cagle: Are you comfortable with the two to Bill Day: I Daryl Cagle: said kid, I said kid. All right. Uh, here's another two toed, Trump Bird, voice of America. he's, he's gotten rid of the Voice of America. Bill Day: Yeah. When he, when he fired the Voice of America, you know, and he is turning it over, making it right wing. I thought like time to do something in Voice of America. So that's what I came up with Dave Whamond: when I first saw that. I was thinking you were saying, cool, cool. Like from [00:41:00] January 6th, but, but then I realized it's, uh, for Voice of America, so Daryl Cagle: very nice. Venus fly trap, lie trap. Kangaroo court. He had plenty of problems in court, and then he has none at all. He did the most successful, uh, defense. You would never know that from watching the news. They were talking about how doom was just about on his doorstep and, he's about to get his now, and they couldn't have been more wrong. He just, you think he had no trouble dealing with it at all. Dave Whamond: Like a year ago now is when all the trials were going on, and they said, well, this is it for him, but somehow he just keeps bouncing on back. Daryl Cagle: How often do the pundits have to be wrong for us to stop believing in the pundits for them to fill up the news every day with pundits that get everything wrong? Dave Whamond: I fall for it all the time. So, Adam Zyglis: yeah. He's, he is rewritten all the rules, I think. Yeah, for sure. Trump, the pundits were, uh, would've been more accurate with any other politician. Bill Day: Well, this is another example of how he brow beats everybody trying to get the, the court to, uh, go his way. So. Mm-hmm. Bill Day: I think it works to some degree, [00:42:00] because I think they're afraid of him Daryl Cagle: Here you have it with Vladimir Putin. Dave Whamond: Oh, Vlad, right? Bill Day: He, yeah, he, I remember right here I was thinking about, he was pretending how he, uh. had an eye for Harris and Waltz, which of course was intended to backfire on them and help Trump. Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: And here's Rivers drawing him as, Moby Dick. Great Orange whale. We get Moby Dick cartoons every so often and I think they're always very funny. Here is, Shooty," Martin Syskovec in, Slovakia, drawing a big orange Godzilla Trump, holding his Bible. That's a wonderful cartoon. Adam Zyglis: Bumpy skin is nice. Dave Whamond: Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: Great looking cartoon. The fire is nice. The fire is nice. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. Dave Whamond: Complexion. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. Daryl Cagle: This one comes from, this is from Emad Hajaj. Our cartoon is from Jordan who moved to Virginia. And, I guess it's Trump as a mandrill with the nose tie. Um, and he's pooping on the world. This is, he's funny. Adam Zyglis: Great cartoon. It's so graphic. Are [00:43:00] those his hands forming his little orange mouth. And did you see the monkeys in the zeros of a hundred days? Like, little interesting details here, huh? Yeah. Is I think it's his hands. Like, I can't tell. Daryl Cagle: Yeah. It's hard to say. His butt is funny. Yeah. And here is, Biden leading Elephant Trump hair. That's cute. Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: The Velociraptor from Jurassic World has just taken down liberty. Dave Whamond: It's interesting how they made his, uh, hair the, the eyes or the face of the. Velociraptor. Oh, this one. Oh, this one? Yeah, that one. Yeah. And his face is sort of the neck part. Daryl Cagle: Well, that's, I think this is red Maga hat. Dave Whamond: Oh, okay. That's what that is. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. Yeah. Dave Whamond: Sorry, I missed that. Yeah. Daryl Cagle: So, uh, could you explain this one to us, Bill? Bill Day: Uh, yeah. We, we see peace coming out the, out, out, out the tail end for sure. Daryl Cagle: Alright. That's the short explanation. Dave Whamond: I love the use of the, uh, the feathers is the hair and then the, the butt and legs are just perfect, you know, like all bird Yeah. For his face. Yeah. Like with the, the [00:44:00] little dimples from where the feathers Dave Whamond: were, Daryl Cagle: it made me laugh. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Very, very good. Adam Zyglis: I like that little white part under. The tail feathers were his eyes, uh, would be. Mm-hmm. It's, it's a nice, yeah. purple, the purple lips. Daryl Cagle: Here's yet another one from very nice. Trump in China cartoon. I love doing The Dragons. Yeah. Trump is as Jaws Adam Zyglis: interesting choice to put his mouth. Dave Whamond: Yeah, I was just thinking that. Adam Zyglis: Yeah. Usually, uh, I think I may have drawn a Jaws one with his actual mouth, but that's, that works. So. Daryl Cagle: So here you've got, Bob Englehart with a Trump Snake. I love the Trump snakes. is this a, Pence fly cartoon? Might be, yeah. But the, flies are funny. Adam Zyglis: That's a funny fly too. But the Mount mm-hmm. It's a nice cartoony fly. Daryl Cagle: Dave Granland with, octopus Trump trying to woo women voters into this all Tic-Tacs. That's funny. Dave Whamond: Yeah. The tic-tac thing is funny. Trump's the fish. Daryl Cagle: Trump the fish Dave Whamond: again. Daryl Cagle: This is Marian Kamensky from Austria. His work is nice. Yeah. [00:45:00] Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: It is nice. Adam Zyglis: It's distinct. I, I like that you can see it and you know, it's his work right away. Dave Whamond: Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: Trump and Giuliani. Turkeys. Peter Kuper, weirder and weirder. Cheshire Cat. Adam Zyglis: Nice. Daryl Cagle: Here's Luo Jie from China. Here's Graham Mackay, our new Canadian cartoon. Canadian. Yeah. That far. I think he's just great. Dave Whamond: Yeah. Same Adam Zyglis: agree. Yeah. I'm a fan of his work. That's great. Dave Whamond: And again, you can tell it's his, from looking at it right away, you know, it's his work. Adam Zyglis: So Yeah. He's got a lot of, a lot of time puts into, into the lighting and mm-hmm. He gets a good atmosphere to his, to his for sure. Daryl Cagle: He has an interesting color palette too, that's kind of unique. Adam Zyglis: Yep. Daryl Cagle: these are our new, uh. Conservative cartoonists, Margolis and Cox. Dave Whamond: So does, does one write in one draw, or how does that work? Daryl Cagle: Yeah. Margolis writes and Cox draws. Dave Whamond: I, I love the, their drawing there. The drawing is quite nice. I've noticed them. Daryl Cagle: Here's, Rick McKee with, Trump as a, growth on the back [00:46:00] of I figure the growth is animal as well, so I put this in. Mm-hmm. Good. I think it's a good looking growth. Adam Zyglis: Oh yeah. Dave Whamond: Yeah. I like the roots. Right. That, that makes it like veiny roots. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Daryl Cagle: And this is from Stephane Peray, "Stephff" Our cartoonist from Thailand. Adam Zyglis: Oh, Daryl Cagle: alien Trump. Bruce Plante Turkey of the Year. More Bruce Plante, king Kong. Good looking orangutan this is Plop and Kankr from France. husband and wife and, Plop does the drawings and Kankr does the writing. Adam Zyglis: That's lovely. Mm-hmm. Style. I've seen children's books with that kind of vibe. I like that Daryl Cagle: you met Plop and Kankr in St. Just Adam Zyglis: Oh, that's right. Okay. I'm like, not connecting the, the na the work to the artist. Very nice. Daryl Cagle: They are very nice. They're a cute couple. This one, this is an oldie from Milt Priggee. Another Audrey Two. Good looking Trump. Adam Zyglis: Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: Milt Priggee with a Trump chicken. This one is from Rayma Suprani, the, Venezuelan cartoonist who moved to Miami. And from Rivers, a nice King Kong, Trump. [00:47:00] Mm-hmm. From Bas van der Schot, from the Netherlands. Another nice King Kong, Trump with a, , Denmark Little Mermaid that he's, uh, got in his hand, which is funny. Yeah. I don't know that an American audience would look at that, recognize the Denmark flag and recognize that that's their little Mermaid statue. But, when you do, it makes you laugh. This one comes from Osmani Simanca Dave Whamond: Hmm. That's cool. Daryl Cagle: I like them. Yeah. That's a nice one. Nice drawing. Good lack of respect in this one. Adam Zyglis: Mm-hmm. Daryl Cagle: This one's from Vladimir Kazanevsky, our Ukrainian cartoonist. He fled Ukraine for Slovakia, during the worst of the bombing, which came pretty close to his apartment and he has recently decided to move back. Adam Zyglis: Hmm. Wow. Daryl Cagle: John Cole with Porcupine Trump. Adam Zyglis: Nice. Daryl Cagle: And woodpecker Trump. And another nice skunk Trump and brain worm. RFK Trump. And here is Dale Cummings. Another nice Canadian cartoonist with a golden Poop Trump. I like Daryl Cagle: that. Mm-hmm. That's our last cartoon, gentlemen. [00:48:00] Adam Zyglis: Very nice. Daryl Cagle: That was all 135. That was, that went by fast. That, yeah. 135 is a heck of a lot of cartoons. Dave Whamond: Mm-hmm. Adam Zyglis: Let's go through another a hundred. Dave Whamond: I think those are a lot really inspiring, set of drawings there. You know, I want to go draw now, Daryl Cagle: I think you guys did some very nice animal cartoons and, you should be proud of your, animal work. thank you for being on with me today. Yeah. Well thanks for inviting me. Thanks for Dave Whamond: having us. Yeah. Adam Zyglis: Some great work. Yeah, very inspiring. Agreed. Daryl Cagle: Excellent. So subscribe to our free daily cartoon email newsletter at Cagle.com/subscribe and subscribe wherever you're watching this 'cause it's on all the platforms, wherever you watch your podcasts. And get our free daily cartoon newsletter with the most popular cartoons of the day in all of the American newspapers. And you will see all of the cartoons from the cartoons that you see on our podcasts. subscribe, subscribe, subscribe. Cagle.com/subscribe. , Thank you for joining us today and we will see you next week on our, next great [00:49:00] podcast. And, uh, gentlemen, thank you again. Pleasure. Thanks for having me, Daryl. Nice talking to you guys. Daryl Cagle: Thank you. Alright, see you later. That's the end. See you, Daryl.